[quote=“Abadd”]I haven’t seen the original Japanese text for that particular line, so I’m not entirely sure.
However, from what I have been led to believe, Heresy and Lagi were just disconnected, thus “deactivating” the dragon program.[/quote]
That would make more sense…considering the Coolia at the end of PDO would have no hope of ever becoming a full fledged Dragon without the assistance of the Heresy program again in some way.
Of course, it could be argued that the Heresy program genetically altered the Dragon to both reproduce and produce offspring coolia which eventually will become dragons on their own. But that’s not likely.
Why do you think it would be so unlikely, Kadamose? The Heresy program had clearly reworked Lagi’s genetics and capabilities completely since he was last seen in PDS. What’s to say it couldn’t have given him that ability?
EDIT: More to the point, Lagi’s “heir” did have wings; surely that would imply it was going to grow up as a dragon by default.
Who knows? In any case, I don’t like the idea of Lagi reproducing. I still think that the coolia at the end of PDO is not offspring, but an actual regression of Lagi’s true self. Therefore, the coolia is not a completely new consciousness into the Panzer world…it’s actually Lagi. He simply reverted back into what he was before he was tampered with.
The narration did literally say that Lagi died though, and it clearly described the baby dragon as being a different creature. What reason do we have to believe that what we were directly told was completely wrong?
One thing you have to remember about the Panzer games is that some of the dialogue is cryptic in nature. The ‘death’ of Lagi could have simply represented the death of the dragon form, which, in the end, led to a de-evolution.
The same thing also happened to the Heresy Program upon it’s ‘death’ - it lost it’s ‘purged’ form, and de-evolved back into what it originally was: a part of the Sestren system.
“And the phoenix shall rise from it’s own ashes”…I don’t question that Lagi died, I just don’t believe that he asexually reproduced. There is NOTHING to back this up, other than the word ‘heir’ - but that can mean many things.
Looking at it the other way around though, what is there to suggest that this didn’t happen? All the narration seems to say is that Lagi died and literally left the baby dragon in his wake:
With the passing of the dragon,
so died a part of Orta.
And yet, not all was lost.
The dragon had left behind an heir…
a symbol of proof that
the dragon had once lived.
And so a legend came to end.
But every ending leads to a new beginning.
The baby dragon did appear in Sestren in the mini-games. It’s possible the baby dragon originated as a program in Sestren, and downloaded itself into a living creature afterwards. It’s definitely not a clone of Lagi though.
I’m not convinced. I honestly think that there is a connection between the baby dragon found in the Forbidden Zone in PDS, and the baby dragon at the end of Orta. I’ll bet they’re one in the same.
Whatever the dragon pup that came out of the crest in Shelcoof was meant to represent, we can reasonably assume that it was whatever had been left in that crest at the end of Panzer Dragoon Zwei. I’m not sure I see what you mean about them being one and the same though, Kadamose; the pup from Shelcoof was (re)absorbed into the dragon in PDS, and the pup from PDO was what that dragon left behind when it died. They did look noticeably different, too…
Except they look totally different… The current baby dragon looks like a direct offspring of Lagi-the-mutated as seen in PDO seeing as it has fully grown LEGS whereas the original coolia pup that Lagi was had NO front legs, just WINGS, and the same goes for the dragon pup seen in PDS. They only “evolved” to legs in PDO…
And, D-Unit, I think the ending, the way it’s written, shows pretty clearly that noone other than the dragon had anything to do with the baby’s creation. It’s his heir in one way or another (be it birth, rebirth, whatever else) and it’s there as the dragon’s “will” to the world… And it can’t mean the program either since they are separated in Orta so it can only talk of this dragon, the dragon we’ve been riding the whole span of the game…
I’m not questioning the fact that the baby dragon is Lagi’s creation. I just think that the baby dragon originated from the Sestren system, or was at least created in one of the Ancient ruins.
If you remember, correctly, Lagi died at the end of Panzer Dragoon Zwei and it was never explained how he was resurrected for Ein and Saga.
So…
We know that Lagi died in PDZ.
We know that Lagi is alive in both Ein and Saga.
We know that it’s the same dragon throughout the series.
Either this is a rather large plot hole - or we need to read between the lines a little bit more. We’re obviously missing a detail that would explain everything.
No we don’t KNOW that Lagi died in Zwei, if you have proof for it write it in the thread that revolves around this certain topic. after reading what ppl that oppose that idea have to say…
The Heresy Dragon lead the Divine Visitor to Sestren. You see, if the Divine Visitor was only the player, then he or she wouldn’t have known how to free the world from the will of the Ancients. An in game character to be required to actually lead the DV to Sestren. Somehow the Heresy Program knew about the Divine Visitor… somehow. The DV is a bit of a mystery really.
I used to think that too, and Lundi’s journals do suggest that. However, on the old forums, Abadd posted something along the lines of “Same bodies, same dragon”, completely shooting down the theory I had about Lagi having a different body in each game.
Further proof lies in that interview with Smilebit which confirmed that all the dragons were the same. Unfortunately, it seems to have disappeared off the face of the internet.
