Proof PDO should have been on Cube!

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[quote=“Al3xand3r”]Like Solo said, only a handful (or even less) of those exclusive games you mentioned are games that you would buy a console for since there’s equivalents (or even better) on all other systems. Or just cos they are “filler games” in a sense…
Also, so long after the consoles’ release it says a lot that you feel the need to mention unreleased games as the X-box’s strength (Fable, BC and Halo 2 for instance)
And by the way Tomb Raider 1 was also on the Saturn >_>[/quote]

HALO is on it’s own worth getting a X-Box for. As are games like ORTA, JSRF.

And if you want to talk about games that are out now (only on X-Box) then add stuff like Gun Valkyrie, Enclave, Kung Fu Chaos, Steel Battalion, Star Wars KOTR, MM III,Amped II Brute Force to the list

I hardly call them filler games.
You take adway the NCL exclusives, and the CUBE can’t boost that many exclusives. And seeing as it takes NCL so long to make a game inthe 1st place. I bet the X-Box as just as many if not more exclusives to it’s machine.

Then if you look at the 3rd party stuff the X-Box versions for the most part look better, and Certainly sound better (thanks to 5.1).
LIVE just kills the sad excuse that is Network play on the PS 2, and well we all know NCL plan for Online games on the CUBE, they haven?t got 1.

Yes my mistake with TB, should have said from part II onwards. Always thought the Saturn version was the best anyway, thanks to the better pad

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The other day i asked a PS2 owner to name 5 quality and orginal PS2 games.

He said

Final Fantays games
Kingdom Hearts

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[quote=“GehnTheBerserker”]The other day i asked a PS2 owner to name 5 quality and orginal PS2 games.

He said

Final Fantays games
Kingdom Hearts[/quote]

The PS 2 has quite a few to say the truth.

Stuff like Eyetoy, Ico, Amplitude, Fantavision, Flipnic, DMC are great.

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Are we supposed to say “Oh my God Squaresoft makes PS2 games and ppl buy them! The PS2 is deffinitelly inferior to the X-Box games wise!” or what Gehn?

And I’ll say Ico, Virtua Fighter 4: Evolution, Shinobi/Kunoichi, Devil May Cry, etc etc…

Some of these aren’t the greatest ever or anything close to that, but, again, a lot of the games TA mentioned in his earlier post about the X-Box aren’t either… Also, I’m not a PS2 owner so I’m propably missing a lot of the good titles as well.

Anyway, trying to make it sound like PS2 has no good games isn’t gonna get you anywhere really, it’s got the most support from developers and publishers, it’s bound to have some good games too :slight_smile:

Also, TA, KOTOR and Halo are on PC as well :slight_smile:
When I said filler games I meant stuff like OTOGI and such… You don’t buy a console for a fun hack and slash game do you, all consoles have those, like the aforementioned Shinobi >_>
Also, Brute Force is a bad game -or so most of the reviews and ppl that have played it say- and I assume Kung Fu chaos is a fighting game so I’ll categorise it in the games that I mentioned as having “equivalents or better” on other systems, unless ofcourse you feel it’s a fighting game better than Virtua Fighter 4: Evo (which can’t be true anyway heh). Hell it’s propably got a better competitor on the SAME (and other since it’s multiplatform) system with Soul Calibur 2…

I’ve expressed my opinion on all consoles before, I want very few games of each so I’m buying none. However if I was to buy one I’d propably lean toward the GC and the furthest away from the X-Box for all the reasons Solo, me, and others have said… Though the GC favoring might change after the release of the PS2 Shining Force…

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Hahaha.You look to deep into words Al3x.

I dind’t say antyhing about the PS2.I have an opnion.Everybody knwos my opnion.

You are suposed to post what you like without putting words in my mouth.

This was actually directedt at Mumei.

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When did I put words in your mouth? I made a comment (a slightly sarcastic one:) on your reply, that’s all.
TA replied in the same way except without the sarcasm (just mentioning that the PS2 has good games too) so I assume he got what you said the same way I did…

And to add to my previous post (so I can stop editing it lol), Maybe the FPS genre is kind of new to the consoles but to me Halo is a pretty standard FPS game. I’m not even buying it for my PC even tho it can handle it just fine. I’d rather have ICO than that by a long shot >_>

The one console FPS game that I’m sad doesn’t get a PC convertion is Chronicles of Riddick on the X-Box, but it’s still not something that will drag me into buying one <_<

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Are we supposed to say “Oh my God Squaresoft makes PS2 games and ppl buy them! The PS2 is deffinitelly inferior to the X-Box games wise!” or what Gehn?

Don’t imply things.That is not good.

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That doesn’t imply anything and I still fail to see how that’s putting words in your mouth…
If I didn’t want to be sarcastic I suppose the equivalent would have been “So what? This doesn’t mean anything” or something along those lines.

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You were trying to fathom the meaning of my post.Ultimately you failed.

This isn’t suppoes to mean anything cause I wasn’t trying to make a point.

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Perhaps I understood your post wrong, however when you make such a post right after two posts that are all about quality games on consoles and such it would be silly to expect people to think it’s a meaningless post.

TA replied in the same way as me (minus the sarcasm) so that shows I didn’t understand your post like that out of nowhere but that in fact it seemed to have a point.

I accepted that your post was pointless the first time you said it and didn’t try to show otherwise at all.Whatever the case is I still DID NOT put words in your mouth at ALL and that’s what I’ve been saying all this time.

In fact since you call it pointless yourself then I was right to question it’s meaning, it had none after all… Don’t see what your problem is with that, surely what I said wasn’t so offending to you? It was quite sarcastic maybe but deffnitelly not offending toward anything.

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I don’t consider my post pointless.I was just showing people what a PS2 owner out of millions would point out to be 5 quality PS2 games.

I’m just clarifying that I did not expect that kind of comment from you.

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[quote=“Al3xand3r”]Are we supposed to say “Oh my God Squaresoft makes PS2 games and ppl buy them! The PS2 is deffinitelly inferior to the X-Box games wise!” or what Gehn?

And I’ll say Ico, Virtua Fighter 4: Evolution, Shinobi/Kunoichi, Devil May Cry, etc etc…

Some of these aren’t the greatest ever or anything close to that, but, again, a lot of the games TA mentioned in his earlier post about the X-Box aren’t either… Also, I’m not a PS2 owner so I’m propably missing a lot of the good titles as well.

Anyway, trying to make it sound like PS2 has no good games isn’t gonna get you anywhere really, it’s got the most support from developers and publishers, it’s bound to have some good games too :slight_smile:

Also, TA, KOTOR and Halo are on PC as well :slight_smile:
When I said filler games I meant stuff like OTOGI and such… You don’t buy a console for a fun hack and slash game do you, all consoles have those, like the aforementioned Shinobi >_>
Also, Brute Force is a bad game -or so most of the reviews and ppl that have played it say- and I assume Kung Fu chaos is a fighting game so I’ll categorise it in the games that I mentioned as having “equivalents or better” on other systems, unless ofcourse you feel it’s a fighting game better than Virtua Fighter 4: Evo (which can’t be true anyway heh). Hell it’s propably got a better competitor on the SAME (and other since it’s multiplatform) system with Soul Calibur 2…

I’ve expressed my opinion on all consoles before, I want very few games of each so I’m buying none. However if I was to buy one I’d propably lean toward the GC and the furthest away from the X-Box for all the reasons Solo, me, and others have said… Though the GC favoring might change after the release of the PS2 Shining Force…[/quote]

Stop going on what people or reviews say, and try playing the games your self.

Kung Fu Chaos is a gem of a game. It’ even better than Power Stone 1 and II. It does not play anything like VF IV.

Where’s the hack and slash Ninja Game on the CUBE (plese don’t tell me I-Ninja).

If you played O.TO.GI 1 or 2 you might find out it’s 1 of the best action games ever made. With style and art direction that western developers could only ever dream of matching.

Brute Force isn’t worth buying a system for, but it’s a soild enought game, thats great laugh in 4 player mode.

Before s aying they aren’t any games you would want on the X-Box, try playing them 1st.

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I only haven’t played Kung Fu Chaos and only said the reviews/people’s opinions thing about Brute Force didn’t I? Don’t generalise my comments like that to make a point :slight_smile:

The Hack and Slash on the GameCube could very well be Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles, it’s not as fast paced as the other games but it’s coop function imo levels it way above the other games in the fun factor and it’s neat spell system (with players casting spells in the same place as other players to enhance their functionality/power) is a great innovation. So the characters aren’t ninjas, I didn’t know you have to have a specific kind of character in a game or it’s not worth the same as other games of it’s type…
Truth be told the single player game isn’t as good but the co-op as I said is just too good.

BTW I also never said that there aren’t any games I want on the X-Box (in case that’s what you meant in your last sentence, it’s not exactly well written), in fact I clearly stated in the last paragraph of the post you quoted that “I want very few games of each so I’m buying none.”

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[quote=“Al3xand3r”]I only haven’t played Kung Fu Chaos and only said the reviews/people’s opinions thing about Brute Force didn’t I? Don’t generalise my comments like that to make a point :slight_smile:

The Hack and Slash on the GameCube could very well be Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles, it’s not as fast paced as the other games but it’s coop function imo levels it way above the other games in the fun factor and it’s neat spell system (with players casting spells in the same place as other players to enhance their functionality/power) is a great innovation. So the characters aren’t ninjas, I didn’t know you have to have a specific kind of character in a game or it’s not worth the same as other games of it’s type…
Truth be told the single player game isn’t as good but the co-op as I said is just too good.

BTW I also never said that there aren’t any games I want on the X-Box (in case that’s what you meant in your last sentence, it’s not exactly well written), in fact I clearly stated in the last paragraph of the post you quoted that “I want very few games of each so I’m buying none.”[/quote]

Granted by grammar leaves a lot to be desired. But you?re forming your opinions on what reviewera have said about games like Kung Fu Chaos.

O.TO.GI shares nothing in common with FF CG. The gameplay found in both is just totally different.

Sorry if this look like I?m having a go at you. But I bet many of the games you?ve dismissed on the X-Box you haven?t actually played.

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What are you talking about? I formed my opinion on Kung Fu Chaos on reviews? I didn’t say my opinion on it ffs! I have NONE! I haven’t heard of the game before and I never implied that I have!

And I never said that FF chronicles has the same gameplay as your ninja games, it’s just a HELLA FUN hack & slash game and that’s what we were talking about!

Hell, Super Smash Bros Melee doesn’t have the same gameplay as Powerstone but it measures up to the fun it offers. So what if the gameplay isn’t the same? Same type of game (they are both FUN beat em ups as opposed to serious ones), same ammounts of fun with friends. I’m sure if you didn’t have an X-Box with KFC and instead had a Cube with SSBM you’d have just as much fun with your friends even if it’s not the same thing at all. You wouldn’t exactly like it if every game that aims for the same goal (ie a fun beat em up or a fun hack & slash in our examples) was just a direct CLONE/RIP OFF of other games of the genre would you?

Unless you are trying to tell me you bought the X-Box cos of Kung Fu Chaos cos it’s such an amazing game of epic proportions that you can’t have the same ammount of fun with games on other systems. If that’s the case then fine, I’m wrong and it’s not a “filler” game like all the games I mentioned above >_>

And, hell, even if I had played Brute Force, if I said it’s bad you’d just tell me that just cos I think it’s bad it doesn’t mean it is… I have opinions of ppl I can trust with these things on Brute Force and from everything I’ve read on it, it doesn’t make me wanna play it. Hell I told you what I think of Halo and yet you feel that I’ll like a game that you say is worse than Halo? Am I supposed to play every single game out there even if it’s the shittiest ever made just so I can have my own opinion on it? I’m sorry but I won’t waste my time like that. I’ll get games that I know I’ll be interested in playing, not games that I KNOW I WON’T be interested in but I HOPE that they will actually be more interesting than they seem so far.

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Mate you can not call FF CG a hack and slash game, Other wise Lunar, Grandia II, Star Wars KOTR could be classed under the same banner. They are turn based RPG’s.

That have little in comon with action games like Shinobi, O.TO.GO II.

And SMASH Brothers Mele (great game) does play a hell of like Power Stone II., Kung Fu Chaos.

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Who’s the one who hasn’t played the games he talks about now? FFCG is nothing like the games you mentioned and also nothing like previous final fantasy games… It’s a… dun dun dunnnn HACK AND SLASH! HURRAY! The only thing it bares in common with other FF games is the name and the names of items and such. And I suppose the SHALLOW story too but since it’s a Hack & Slash game it’s to be expected.

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I played the game down a mates for 10 mins or so. And it is not a hack and slash game in the style of Shinobi, or O.TO.GI.

Or what next ZELDA isn’t in fact a action RPG, but it too is a hack and slash game

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I really, really don’t get the point of this argument.

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I never said it’s a hack and slash IN THE STYLE OF OTOGI, in fact I clearly stated it’s DIFFERENT! However, all the game is about is killing enemies gaining experience points casting spells and finding better items and what not. It’s game mechanics are closer to Diablo2 if anything, except with much more linear levels and an action control scheme instead of point and click stuff like in D2. It’s not an RPG at all. And it’s not like Zelda at all. Experience points and spells and what not are NOT what makes an RPG. FF:CG is a hack and slash game more than anything else period.

And like Abadd says, what’s the point of this? Am I supposed to be convinced that the X-Box is the better choice of all three consoles because the Gamecube doesn’t have a hack and slash game like Ninja Gaiden? The X-Box also has nothin that is like Metroid for example (no, Halo and any other FPS are nothing like it at all) or anything like Super Monkey Ball or anything like Skies of Arcadia, or anything like Zelda or anything like Pikmin etc etc etc…