I really want to know more about the new dragon!!
It wouldnt bother me if it was named after the new dragon!
I would.If we are gonna control that dragon in the next game I just hope his morphs are less kinky!
[quote=“Geoffrey Duke”]The information contained in Panzer Dragoon Orta gives us the correct description of the Ancients as if the creators wanted to set the record straight.
I personally hope their identity remains lost with time, although I wouldn’t mind seeing a few more white orbs floating around.[/quote]
There’s already a whole bunch of those orbs flying around in PD Orta’s Pandora’s Box 
Actually, the correct description in Pandora’s Box makes things even more complicated, because it says the Ancients were the "citizens of the Ancient Age’. This means all the possible factions should be considered as “Ancients”, even the rebels.
[quote=“D-Unit”]
[quote=“Geoffrey Duke”]The information contained in Panzer Dragoon Orta gives us the correct description of the Ancients as if the creators wanted to set the record straight.
I personally hope their identity remains lost with time, although I wouldn’t mind seeing a few more white orbs floating around.[/quote]
There’s already a whole bunch of those orbs flying around in PD Orta’s Pandora’s Box Actually, the correct description in Pandora’s Box makes things even more complicated, because it says the Ancients were the "citizens of the Ancient Age’. This means all the possible factions should be considered as “Ancients”, even the rebels.[/quote]
I agree: it is confusing, especially when Sestren refers to its creators as “the ancients”. If the group of ancients who built and programmed Sestren were the leaders of the ancient civilization (which is what the Seekers believe) it might start to make some sense. I can’t understand why Abadd’s masters were so dependent on drones and bioweapons if they weren’t spheres of white energy.
The way the Uru records were written seems to imply that the scientists were humans like us, which makes me think they may have been creating the drones for “other” Ancients. Or they could have been preparing for their evolution to beings of data in the Sestren system.
“We’ll soon have permission to implant that mechanism. With it, we
should easily clear the targeted value. However, there is a serious defect.”
I’m not sure, but the “targeted value” may indicate they needed to create a lot of high-end drones in a short amount of time. However, the ruins were shut down during the Fall of the Ancient Age, so why did they need them anyway? The problem is we don’t know how much of the events that took place were part of the Ancient’s plan. I’m sure they wanted the Ancient Age to end, but things did go wrong after that (malfunctioning drones, Towers not running at full capacity, Heresy program inside Sestren…).
I still think the ancients (as in the people who created Sestren et al) believed they were gods. Perhaps they uploaded their minds to Sestren and thereby evolved to a higher plane of existence. The Divine Visitor was given that name for a reason. Even the Heresy dragon is named in such a way as to suggest it was meant to overthrow gods.
The people of the Panzer world believed the ancients were gods, and that can only be because the ancients could create life and do almost anything with their advanced technology.
Well, at least we agree that Abadd’s masters/the gods weren’t quite human.
I believe they were humans who transcended. What better place is there to hide from the bio-weapons programmed to destroy humanity than Sestren?
[quote=“D-Unit”]“We’ll soon have permission to implant that mechanism. With it, we
should easily clear the targeted value. However, there is a serious defect.”[/quote]
Btw, I have no idea what this means. Perhaps the ancients hadn’t quite perfected their drones yet. As we know, higher end drones required to operate complex ruins suffered from a wide variety of problems.
I’m not saying that isn’t true, but the creators of the Light Wing didn’t believe they were Gods.
There’s a similarity between the Light Wing and the Heresy dragon. The Light Wing was called a renegade project (as in not following the Will of the Ancients). The word Heresy seems to suggest the same thing. Perhaps the Heresy program was the psychological part of the Light Wing, while the D-Units contained its physical form. Combine those and you have the ultimate dragon.
I completely agree.
Indeed. The structure where Abadd was trying to activate the resuscitation program seemed strange, and the camera focused on that strange egg-shaped structure on the wall, seemingly to show its importance. I don’t know what it was supposed to do, but we may already have seen the way the Ancients’ were going to return…
[quote=“Geoffrey Duke”]
I agree: it is confusing, especially when Sestren refers to its creators as “the ancients”. If the group of ancients who built and programmed Sestren were the leaders of the ancient civilization (which is what the Seekers believe) it might start to make some sense. I can’t understand why Abadd’s masters were so dependent on drones and bioweapons if they weren’t spheres of white energy.[/quote]
What are these spheres you are talking about?
Haven’t you played Panzer Dragoon Saga Gehn?
The Divine Visitor – the huge white orb that resurrects Edge – was one of the gods (i.e. an ancient).
Ah yes.You like stating “facts” don’t ya?
I know the orb but I don’t know if it is an Ancient.
I mean, the Divine Visitor is the one who doesn’t like the Will of the Ancients much
[quote=“Geoffrey Duke”]
Haven’t you played Panzer Dragoon Saga Gehn?
The Divine Visitor – the huge white orb that resurrects Edge – was one of the gods (i.e. an ancient).[/quote]
The DV is the player, there’s no way to deny that. However, that doesn’t mean it doesn’t fit in the storyline. The Divine Visitor may have been necessary to end the Ancients’ reign over the world, because he wasn’t influenced by them. The DV formed inside Sestren, from a lot of smaller white orbs. Those could have symbolized “all” the players, which answers the question to how we could all be the DV (the sphere also splits up in multiple rays before it enters Edge).
The fact remains though that it’s easy to replace the role of the DV with that of an Ancient who rebelled against the others. I don’t think this is a coincidence. Perhaps the idea started out like this, but then they had the idea to let the player take the role of DV.
Anyway, the spheres seen in Pandora’s Box (it seems like it’s snowing) could be another hint that the Ancients did upload themselves into Sestren, existing in the same form as the Divine Visitor (as data). Their return could have been exactly the same too. If the Ancients controlled humans like the DV controlled Edge, “there would be no war”, like Gash said. But they would not “really be living, just being forced to live”. The bible of Zoah (again) hints at the possible truth:
“In the end, your blood shall flow into the one who creates the new world.”
They could just take over the human’s bodies, and rule the world as Gods.
Which is why he/she “disobeyed” their will.
I can cope with the theory but you best put a “I think” before such statements less newbies (or oldies) take it as officia info
Still this ain’t that simple : Have you ever thought why it is called DV in the first place?
I know that, but I just find it extremely odd that the player’s existence begins inside Sestren.
The player controlling/being the Divine Visitor doesn’t preclude the Divine Visitor being an ancient.
He/she was a god/an ascended ancient visiting the planet.
You’re partially right, I think. The Divine Visitor did appear in the Ancient Age, or at least was heard of in the Ancient Age. I don’t think it could quite be considered an Ancient (a citizen of the Ancient Age) from that evidence alone, however.
The Divine Visitor was probably a god/god-like entity who appeared in the Ancient Age or before the Ancient Age which would explain the records about it. This doesn’t mean that the Divine Visitor isn’t the player - what else is the player other than a god-like being who is ‘visiting’ the Panzer world?
Haa but who gave it/he/she the name of DV?
Do you remember?
I dont know, but how can the player “disobey” the will of the ancients? >:)
Unless we find out what actually happened to Abadd’s masters, we can’t rule out anything.
The DV IS the palyer.
I think of the DV has an entity paralel to that of the Heresy program.An almost symbiotical relationship.