Beheading Of that american soldier

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Alex I sent you a private message. ^^

I said that I would not post here, but what Kadamouse has said here needs some sort of response. Most of you know how much of a environment nut I am, but his beliefs are a bit farfetched, and does not reflect those who want a better envoronment, because guess what? Humans are animals too!

[quote=“Kadamose”] , it is absolutely appalling how much food goes to waste in this country - and how many animals are slaughtered to provide that food.
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Ah yes, I guess we can be like other countries and following their shining example, particulary the Japanese how they will capture many upon many sharks, cut off only their fins and dump the animal -alive- back into the ocean. Since as you say that you are a environmentalist, I am sure you realise how this impacts the mariene eco-system…
How about countires that still hunt Tigers for particulary their bones as a enhancer for sexual arousal? Once again, I am sure you realise that there are more tigers in captivity than in the wild.
Whaling is illegal here in America and because of that, species like the Gray whale has made a wonderul comeback, unlike some other countries where their meat is still higly prized.
You can blame the destruction of the rain forest to the farmers that are constanlty burning it to provide to their farmlands.
Same goes to countries in Africa that allowing the poaching of their Rhinos and Elephants just so they can profit off their irvory.

First off you would probably be dead to rejoice, but besides the point.
The interesting part of this, if the US was nuked, and weakened, how would you think this would impact the rest of the world?
Isreal would suffer big time, (as the US supported that country, and oh my, that is a major reason why some countries loathe us) and how fast do you think other countries will be to react and gain control of the top of the world wide military chain. With a weaken American military, I am sure many other countries would use this as a wonderful time to attack one another, this would also hurt Japan as well as we are their military.
Not to mention that a great majority of the world would go hungry as we export a great deal of food. My home (the central valley) is ont of the top in the world that grows food that feeds other countries.

Ah so you are no different than the people that make war and genocide.

As you say, that you are unfortunately an American, what is stopping you to leave the country. It has not stopped others from doing it, and at least you would be able to leave the country while it is so hard for others to leave their own country.
You are supporting capitalism. Assuming you buy food, clothe yourself, have a home, buy electricity to watch TV, play your video games and browing this very forum. You frequents captalist eshtablisments, while you say that this country sucks, you seem to reep the benifits of its sins.

That is not really possible at all, you may say that to humans, but that will not stop Bottlenose dolphins from ganging up on harbor porposies and sending them flying many feet in to the air, It will not stop Orcas from playing catch with each other with a seal pup, it will not stop a mother cat from eating her kittens, and it will not stop humans from waging war with each other, we are like ants! We wage war for food and territory!

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[quote=“Kadamose”]You pass judgement on me way too easily - of course I’m an American (unfortunately).

Oh, and if you believe in psychics, a famous psychic once told me:

“I find it interesting that out of all the things you appall in society is the very reflection of who you are today.” …Ouch…[/quote]

if you were the only person that felt as you do in america, i could understand your view of throwing the baby out with the bath water, but you don’t seem to realize that there are lots of people that feel as you do.

i hate a lot of things about a lot of things but i believe that if america was magically destroyed as you proposed, the rest of the world would suffer too. as much as we may hate the injustices that our government enacts, it is simultaneously holding a lot of volatile situations together. which is why the solution i see is a radical, violent if need be, change in the political make up of the US, rather than outright destruction.

EDIT- yes, atolm provided a few examples of the repercussions.

i strongly think bush will not live long if he gets re-elected… just from things i’ve heard.

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[quote=“Kadamose”]

That’s the problem right there - just because we are the most powerful species (in our minds) does not mean that we have the right to decide the fate of those species that are considered to be beneath us. [/quote]

Why?It’s the law of nature to hunt.We were hunted ourselves back in time.

I’m not saying we should enslave the natural world, but the only good reason why we should care about the ambiental state of the world is cause it might affect us in the future.

Of course I’m not saying animals should suffer, but then agehn can our society live without killing animals?No it can’t.

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Atolms points were very fair ones, but although (to Kadamose) as bad as the human race may be to some people, you an’t particularly put to blame on one country.

That is something i have to agree on. Only then will people work together and realise how important it is.

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As for the reprecussions of America becoming weaker in the world balance, that shouldnt be one of the issues here, that happening is inevitable. No superpower has remained on top indefinately, two possible threats that are emerging today are China and a European superpower. America has already got weaker in Bush’s presidency, the economy is weaker and support for the country has been lost in the country and around the world(massively).
However I think that America not being the only superpower will be a good thing, it has to learn that it can NOT do what ever it wants. America disobeyed the UN and I remember Bush saying words to the effect “we are the most powerful country in the world, why do we have to listen to anyone else?”. If there was a second superpower, Bush(and America) would not have been able to do what ever he wanted which is a good thing.
As for America holding pollitical situations around the world stable, why on earth do they think that has anything to do with them? There already is a global police force, the UN(not that they has much power now America has undermined them). Unlike America, the UN does not have ulterior motives for helping out. Global policing is not America’s job and another superpower will stop this happening(at least directly).
The weakening of America/rise of a second superpower is inevitable, I think it will be a good thing.

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America will always remain the target of terrorism as long as it defends Israel. Like it or not, America won’t stop defending its interests in the Middle East (Israel, Kuwait etc).

I wouldn’t place my faith in the U.N. if I were you. The United Nations is only as strong as the nations who support it. Remember when Dutch U.N. troops allowed 7000+ innocent civilians to be massecred in Srebrenica? American or British troops would never have allowed that to happen even if they were outnumbered. France, Germany and Russia opposed the war in Iraq because they all stood to lose billions of dollars worth of oil revenue. They were all motivated to oppose the war by greed. I liken the U.N. to the defunct League of Nations that decided against dealing with Hitler in the 1930s. Sometimes war cannot be avoided.

America going to war on the pretext of finding non-existent weapons of mass destruction was a mistake, but pulling our troops out of Iraq now would also be a mistake. Also, photos of British troops abusing Iraqi prisoners were proven to be fake which goes to show the lengths some people are willing to go to put our troops in harm’s way.

To be fair, the terrorists in Iraq aren’t attacking Americans just because America killed innocent civilians while invading the country or because of prisoner abuse. The Iraqi government was killing and abusing to its own people long before America intervened. Just to play Devil’s Advocate here, one of way of dealing with terrorists is to stand up to them. How would you recommend dealing with them if not through military force? Sawing a civilian’s head off will only lead to more violence.

I’m neutral in this debate. However, nothing should stop people from looking at the bigger picture.

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I think if this war has shown anything, it is that military force is not a way to deal with terrorism. This offensive has made America even more hated by the middle east and are more of a target than ever. History shows us that oppressing a country does not make it peaceful, you could argue that the 2nd world war was inevitable because of the oppression of Germany following the 1st world war as an example.
Staying with history, you are right that the UN is like the League of Nations, the LON was made weak by America not supporting it, just as the UN has been made weak by America not supporting it now. The UN was doing its job, they were looking for the fabled “Weapons of Mass Destruction” and couldnt find them because they werent there.
As far as terrorism goes, dont make the mistake of thinking that attacking Iraq was to do with terrorism, there was no proof of terrorist cells operating out of Iraq and the justification for the war came down to “well Saddam Hussein is a bad sort, he is probably the type to have terrorists in there”. You cannot invade a country(this was an invasion) without proof, thousands have died because of this. People are now trying to justify the war by saying “Saddam was evil, its good that he is gone”. This was not the reason America attacked though, we have known Saddam was evil for 15 years! America didnt seem to want to invade before.

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Thanks to some creative edits I’ve restored my previous post.

IMO, America should’ve liberated Iraq in the 1991 Gulf War when it had over a million troops stationed there. That would’ve saved America a lot of trouble.

Whenever I see this debate on other forums it always rages out of control. I hope that doesn’t happen here.

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Well, in a way, seeing TWOTA debate on this issue, taking morals over money, has restored my faith in the human race…slightly. :slight_smile:

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History will be the best judge of the war in Iraq. I hope this war will lead to a lasting peace, because none of us can turn back time.

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[quote=“Atolm”]As you say, that you are unfortunately an American, what is stopping you to leave the country. It has not stopped others from doing it, and at least you would be able to leave the country while it is so hard for others to leave their own country.
You are supporting capitalism. Assuming you buy food, clothe yourself, have a home, buy electricity to watch TV, play your video games and browing this very forum. You frequents captalist eshtablisments, while you say that this country sucks, you seem to reep the benifits of its sins.

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Again, you pass judgement way too quickly. There is a universal law in this world, and especially this country, stating that if you are born into poverty, you will most likely stay there (unless you win the lottery or win a settlement).

Unfortunately, I was born into poverty, and I’ve done everything in my power to defy this so called universal law - and my results have been somewhat lackluster. Actually, that would be an understatement.

I tried moving out of the country 5 years ago - I went to Australia. But, I soon found out moving was not as a simple as packing your bags and going - it actually takes a massive amount of resources ($$$), something which I didn’t have at the time, and still don’t. Therefore, in the end, I was forced to come back.

Therefore, there now is only one salvation remaining: Nanotechnology. This technology will literally destroy the money system, as well as all forms of governmental control. It’s sounds crazy, I know (believe me, I know) - but it is going to happen in less than 8 years.

Those who are currently in power will not give up their power so easily, and they will put up a nasty fight - and there is almost a guarantee of mass bloodshed. But, in the end, after the chaos has passed (assuming the chaos ever does die down), mankind will witness for the SECOND time in its history, a literal heaven on earth. We shall be as gods.

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I nominate this topic for locking, lest any more flame wars begin, or anyone else get offended.

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Don’t do that.No one’s flamming.Let the convo continue.Anyone who feels offended should just stop checking it.

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[quote=“Kadamose”]

Therefore, there now is only one salvation remaining: Nanotechnology. This technology will literally destroy the money system, as well as all forms of governmental control. It’s sounds crazy, I know (believe me, I know) - but it is going to happen in less than 8 years.

Those who are currently in power will not give up their power so easily, and they will put up a nasty fight - and there is almost a guarantee of mass bloodshed. But, in the end, after the chaos has passed (assuming the chaos ever does die down), mankind will witness for the SECOND time in its history, a literal heaven on earth. We shall be as gods.[/quote]

Whatever drugs you’re taking, take more water with them.
Nanotechnology is something that will allow the creation of tiny things, such as robots that can enter the blood stream.
I know this, and I’m a fourteen year old kid.

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[quote=“Kadamose”]Therefore, there now is only one salvation remaining: Nanotechnology. This technology will literally destroy the money system, as well as all forms of governmental control. It’s sounds crazy, I know (believe me, I know) - but it is going to happen in less than 8 years.

Those who are currently in power will not give up their power so easily, and they will put up a nasty fight - and there is almost a guarantee of mass bloodshed. But, in the end, after the chaos has passed (assuming the chaos ever does die down), mankind will witness for the SECOND time in its history, a literal heaven on earth. We shall be as gods.[/quote]

Ok, you’ve totally lost your mind here. That last paragraph is like something out of the Inquisitor rulebook… What’s the first time it witnessed this? Eden?

Nanotechnology will not destroy the world in 8 years. I have no idea where you got that from…Nostradamus? Anyway, the technology was outlined to me a few months back and all the fears about it are unjustified… they can’t become autonomous so there are no major worries.

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[quote=“Daz”]Whatever drugs you’re taking, take more water with them.
Nanotechnology is something that will allow the creation of tiny things, such as robots that can enter the blood stream.
I know this, and I’m a fourteen year old kid.[/quote]

That’s just a small portion of what Nanotech can do - that’s not even touching the tip of the iceberg. With nanotech, we will be able to manipulate atomic structures - in other words, we’ll be able to reposition electrons and protons to create an entirely different material. We could turn lead into gold and water into wine. This is definitely the technology of the gods.

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Dude, we can do that already with Electron guns. It hasn’t changed the world. You can’t turn water into wine, because that would involve adding several compounds rather than just re-arranging the molecules (wine IS a form of h2O).

Oh, and if we get more gold in the world, do you know what happens? The value of gold plummets. That’s economics for you; the more in demand something is, the higher the price. If we can generate gold on a whim, the price just falls.

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[quote=“Arcie”]

Ok, you’ve totally lost your mind here. That last paragraph is like something out of the Inquisitor rulebook… What’s the first time it witnessed this? Eden?

Nanotechnology will not destroy the world in 8 years. I have no idea where you got that from…Nostradamus? Anyway, the technology was outlined to me a few months back and all the fears about it are unjustified… they can’t become autonomous so there are no major worries.[/quote]

The first time it witnessed harmony on all levels was during the time of ancient Lemuria (also known as MU). The only remaining evidence of Lemuria in our world today is Easter Island - which is still, to this day, shrouded in a veil of mystery and secrecy.

I am not a Grey Goo zealot - those are the people who claim that Nanotech is going to self-replicate itself and eat everythiing up and turn everything into nothing but ‘Grey Goo’. But to say that change isn’t coming is pure stupidity and ignorance - knowledge is doubling at an enormous rate, and in 8 years time, we will reach a point known as the technological Singularity, which is a point in time when knowledge will be doubling every second, making all known advances unpredictable. Things such immortality, faster than light space travel, unlimited power sources, and the ability to ‘jump’ into different dimensions will not be considered to be impossible anymore. We literally will be gods.

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[quote=“Arcie”]
Oh, and if we get more gold in the world, do you know what happens? The value of gold plummets. That’s economics for you; the more in demand something is, the higher the price. If we can generate gold on a whim, the price just falls.[/quote]

Hence, the destruction of the money system. That’s the whole freaking point.

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[quote=“Daz”]Whatever drugs you’re taking, take more water with them.
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