Don’t forget that he had a mission to fulfil. Creating plain Drones like himself might not have been enough to successfully complete his mission.
Don’t forget that he had a mission to fulfil. Creating plain Drones like himself might not have been enough to successfully complete his mission.
Abadd didn’t know how Azel created Orta, otherwise he wouldn’t have needed Orta’s DNA in the first place. Buried within her DNA was the key to unlocking a way to create a new race of human/drone hybrids.
The question we should all be asking is: how did Azel create Orta when drones cannot reproduce?
Either Azel learnt of a way or she’s unique.
She used the Ancients’ method of course.Whatever it was.You pick the genes and make the creature.
If Azel found a way around the problem, then why couldn’t Abadd? He was a higher end drone too.
Well I must admit, the Panzer team at Smilebit (and now Amusement Vision) dreamt up a nice story for Panzer Dragoon Orta. What do they have planned for the next game I wonder?
Abadd didn’t posess direct acess to the specific ruin capable of creating Orta.
you don’t need to protect someone and lead them into the sestren just to grab a microscopic portion of their body…
my assumption was that abadd planned to use the sestren to transfer his psyche into her body, which is why he didn’t just kill her and take a limb after their first encounter. if abadd (the poster) says that he only needed her DNA, i’d like to know why he didn’t take the easy route.
but either way; be it using her genes to make himself able to reproduce in some way or by taking over her body, what then? wouldn’t he need someone else to impregnate/be impregnated by? o_O i’m sure there are plenty of other ways he could have just made more of himself so i’m ruling out that he sought Asexual reproduction.
I think it’s as simple as Abadd not knowing how Azel created Orta. By capturing Orta he could find out.
And why for argument’s sake, would Abadd – a drone built to revive the ancients – be restricted from interfacing with any ruin?
Abadd had to serve his ancient masters. Why would they allow him to create a new race of Drones? Azel had a free will, so she could find a way to solve this problem.
Geoff :
Why for argument’s sake, would Abadd – a drone built to revive the ancients – be restricted from accessing whatever method Azel used to create Orta?
And why would Azel be granted that same access?
Azel had free will but she was still inclined to serve Craymen in the same way and with the same fierce loyalty as Abadd served his masters. Both drones were of the higher end variety, so I can’t see how Abadd could be any less sophisticated. He just didn’t know how Azel created Orta.
And did Azel knew all along thruout Saga?
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Don’t forget that he had a mission to fulfil. Creating plain Drones like himself might not have been enough to successfully complete his mission.[/quote]
What are you talking about? His mission was to ressurect his Ancient Masters and he accepted that as 100% IMPOSSIBLE.
He wanted Orta for his OWN purposes, he THOUGHT those purposes would please his masters were they there but it was NOT assigned to him by them. He came up with the whole thing, it wasn’t a mission.
Do you really think they’d assign him a mission that required for him to use Orta or half drones like Orta in any way? How could they ever have predicted these things would even exist?
Azel was apparently more intelligent than most Drones because she needed a greater intellectual capacity to be able to fully interface with the Tower (or Towers). As far as we know Abadd wasn’t created to be able to do this, so presumably he wouldn’t have quite the same level of intelligence. In fact, as Abadd’s primary purpose was to awaken the sleeping Ancients, giving him greater intelligence would be a considerable risk. Advanced intellect is apparently what leads to free will in Drones, and the last thing the Ancients would want would be for Abadd to make up his own mind about things and to decide not to wake them up.
I’m tempted to believe that Azel’s advanced intelligence was what allowed her to work out how human and Drone genetics could be successfully combined; and that although Abadd couldn’t work out how to do this on his own, his answers lay in Orta’s genetics.
Abadd’s “primary objective” was to resusscitate his masters, Al3x - this was evidently just the intended way of completing his actual “mission”:
Primary objective aborted.
I must fulfill my mission… I must find a way…
And as we know roughly what his “new way” of completing this mission was, it seems his actual mission was to make sure that the world was ruled according to the Ancients’ wishes. He was supposed to fulfill this by awakening the Ancients themselves, but of course that couldn’t be achieved.
Well that doesn’t require half drones like Orta, if anything it would require drones like Abadd more >_>
[quote=“Al3xand3r”]What are you talking about? His mission was to ressurect his Ancient Masters and he accepted that as 100% IMPOSSIBLE.
He wanted Orta for his OWN purposes, he THOUGHT those purposes would please his masters were they there but it was NOT assigned to him by them. He came up with the whole thing, it wasn’t a mission.
Do you really think they’d assign him a mission that required for him to use Orta or half drones like Orta in any way? How could they ever have predicted these things would even exist?[/quote]
That’s not what I meant. What I meant was that Abadd still wanted to complete his original mission, even if it was actually impossible to do so. I think he simply reinterpreted his original objective so he could still fulfil it (in his own opinion, of course this was not what the Ancients wanted). Abadd said that resuscitating his ancient masters was his primary objective, so that wasn’t his ultimate goal. He aborted his primary objective, but he still wanted to complete his mission (“I must fulfill my mission… I must find a way…”).
EDIT: I see that Lance already explained the same thing.
[quote=“Lance Way”]Azel was apparently more intelligent than most Drones because she needed a greater intellectual capacity to be able to fully interface with the Tower (or Towers). As far as we know Abadd wasn’t created to be able to do this, so presumably he wouldn’t have quite the same level of intelligence. In fact, as Abadd’s primary purpose was to awaken the sleeping Ancients, giving him greater intelligence would be a considerable risk. Advanced intellect is apparently what leads to free will in Drones, and the last thing the Ancients would want would be for Abadd to make up his own mind about things and to decide not to wake them up.
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The drone record reported that a number of intelligent drones (those who could interface with Towers et al) remained loyal to the ancients even after becoming aware of themselves. Given what Abadd could accomplish, I really don’t believe he was any less advanced than Azel in any way; he was just given different duties. Why would Abadd’s masters, assuming they were the ancient ones Sestren spoke of, asign a lesser drone to revive them? I personally doubt that they would. Abadd seemed to be out of his mind, and yet he couldn’t imagine not serving his masters.
It has been suggested that Azel was “a master key” in terms of what technologies she could interface with, but people assume she was more advanced than Abadd merely because she was a main character in Panzer Dragoon Saga. Drones like Azel are rare but by no means unique.
I think you just wnet over the line there Geoff
Azel is one of a kind.Craymen uses underlined font in his words making that very clear.
Azel was more advanced than Abadd cause she was the Gate to Sestren and a Destroyer of Towers,
[quote=“GehnTheBerserker”]I think you just wnet over the line there Geoff
Azel is one of a kind.Craymen uses underlined font in his words making that very clear.
Azel was more advanced than Abadd cause she was the Gate to Sestren and a Destroyer of Towers,[/quote]
What makes you think Azel was unique? She was created rather than born, remember? The ancients could have built any number of drones just as advanced as her.
She wasn’t the only drone capable of interfacing with the dozens of Towers scattered across the continent, surely?
In my opinion Azel was special simply she was never “restricted” in her thoughts (remember that she was never finished). Abadd was probably as intelligent as Azel, but was restricted by the Ancients, so that he could not become “renegade” and create a race of Drones that could reproduce. He does try to do that, but needs to “work around” the built-in restriction that prevents him from doing that.