Did it? I have not read that bit about Lagi. But it did say the Empire was destroyed thousands of years ago and of course Lagi was the cause of it so how can it be 30 or 50 years ago when the dragon destroyed the empire a thousand years before then? Unless there was a certain point when furture and past converged on one another and somehow messed up time itself, it is quite confusing.
Oh and no, PDO is actually set thousands of years AFTER the empire was destroyed. In PDO, the Empire had been revived and with it ancient technology which was used to create the Dragonmares and no of us saw dragonmares in the other games except PDO.
PDO, as well as every other game, is set in a time period something over 1000 years after the ancient civilization that created the ruins and dragons ended, that civilization is not the same as the previous “Empire” mentioned in Orta. The Empire in PDO is just the latest incarnation of a society that has only ever scavenged that ancient technology, just like the Empire ships you fight in Panzer Dragoon. All the games take place within a hundred year period, as lordcraymen said.
[quote=“Legendarus”]Did it? I have not read that bit about Lagi. But it did say the Empire was destroyed thousands of years ago and of course Lagi was the cause of it so how can it be 30 or 50 years ago when the dragon destroyed the empire a thousand years before then? Unless there was a certain point when furture and past converged on one another and somehow messed up time itself, it is quite confusing.
Oh and no, PDO is actually set thousands of years AFTER the empire was destroyed. In PDO, the Empire had been revived and with it ancient technology which was used to create the Dragonmares and no of us saw dragonmares in the other games except PDO.[/quote]
Sorry, you’re wrong. The Ancient Age ended 10,000 years ago, and the previous empire, the one we see in the Saturn trilogy, was destroyed in the Great Fall 30 years before PDO. There’s nothing confusing about it. The PDO encylopedia is rather straightforward and to the point.
All of the Panzer Dragoon games, so far, take place in a hundred year time-frame.
The point is “The Empire” was not destroyed thousands of years ago, “The Ancient Age” was ended thousands of years ago. The Empire are just pretenders to the legacy of the ancients, and they’ve only been around a couple hundred years (I think). I put it in those terms only because there seems to be some slight question about how the meaning of the time period since the ancient age has been translated in different instances, but it’s been at least a thousand years.
“The Empire” was greatly decimated in the events surrounding Saga/Azel, which happened about 30 years previous to Orta. That’s how and when Lagi more or less destroyed the Empire. No one knows exactly how the ancient civilization was “destroyed”, but the entity Lagi wasn’t around for it. Understand now?
Actually I have a question now, I only vaguely remember some reference to this from reading back through the forum, is it actually established somewhere-somehow that a “year” in PD’s world is longer and by now much?
As I was writing this I become aware of a Wii Sports ad/promo playing on Comedy Central, it’s a parody of the show Survivor… funny stuff. This should be a fun generation!
As far as I know, the length of a year isn’t confirmed anywhere. But considering that Panzer Dragoon has two moons, and therefore is highly unlikely to be Earth, it seems likely to me that the planet would have a different length for a year than Earth does. If a year was the exact same length of time as an Earth year that would be quite a large coincidence.
It would help if we knew how long a month was. Dragon Book 3 states that Lundi found the Shelcoof on the 6th day of 12th month, which means that there at least 12 months in a year. For all we know there could be more than 12, however.
Hmmm… generations seem rather short going by the little information we have, but perhaps it’s also supposed to be like the dark ages and 40 or so would be a ripe old age.
Light Wing I just noticed your sig… since it’s obviously about me I have to ask, you don’t think that’s overreacting… little bit? I never even remotely implied that anyone has to be anti-FF7 to post here, and I certainly never threatened you. What I said, for all to see on the previous page there, was in the nature of a joke anyway. Although it is genuinely irritating and somewhat odd that you would choose the name “Light Wing” having that attitude.
While I’m sure someone so fair minded as yourself would have no problem with a poster in an FF forum that liked to tell people FF7 is overrated, other FF’s are better, and Panzer Dragoon Saga is the best RPG ever… just imagine if that poster was also named something like… “Alpha Cloud”?
To echo what I already told you in response to your PM, I have no problem with you or anyone else being a fan of FF, but if you can call PDS overrated and don’t think FF7 is overrated, it makes a certain statement. Thus your opinion on the relative merits of Azel/Saga as a representative of the Panzer Dragoon series loses relevance in this forum. Really it was just friendly advice that you might consider staying quiet about it from now on. But please don’t let anything I said make you quiet in general.
As far as I know, the length of a year isn’t confirmed anywhere. But considering that Panzer Dragoon has two moons, and therefore is highly unlikely to be Earth, it seems likely to me that the planet would have a different length for a year than Earth does. If a year was the exact same length of time as an Earth year that would be quite a large coincidence.
It would help if we knew how long a month was. Dragon Book 3 states that Lundi found the Shelcoof on the 6th day of 12th month, which means that there at least 12 months in a year. For all we know there could be more than 12, however.[/quote]
I believe that one of the moons is artificial, and is the source of the sestren network. This isn’t as far-fetched as it sounds: when Azel destroys the Tower of Uru in PDS, the transmission, which transports Lagi and Edge to Sestren, points directly upward. Of course, there is also a dimensional shift above the Tower…so this doesn’t necessarily explain everything. But if you want my opinion, I believe Sestren exists in two places at once…the second moon being its energy source.
That might actually make a nice theory for the Theories section (and I’m not just saying that because the site is in dire need of new content either). Although I personally think that the two moons were meant to represent Panzer Dragoon Zwei taking place on another world, there is plenty of room for the idea of the PD world being Earth if there was another explanation for the second moon existing. If the PD world was Earth then that would also explain some of the other “earth like” things in the PD world - such as why the gravity is the same, or - as I mentioned before - why we never hear of more than twelve months in a imperial year.
Interesting idea anyway, although that “gateway” which appears above the tower, could be leading anywhere, not necessarily a location above the Tower.
Damn, I really wish I had the other Panzer Dragoon games too. Indeed the world and the continent itself would have to be gargantuant to support lands that big like the city of Ashes and the mountain ranges along with the rainforests that contain the giant Yondo Worms in their murky waters as well as tons of other Bioengineered Creatures, all artificially made by man himself as well as those that evolved through time such as the Eles’Nora (boss from Episode 5 in PDO).
[quote=“Solo Wing Dragon”]That might actually make a nice theory for the Theories section (and I’m not just saying that because the site is in dire need of new content either). Although I personally think that the two moons were meant to represent Panzer Dragoon Zwei taking place on another world, there is plenty of room for the idea of the PD world being Earth if there was another explanation for the second moon existing. If the PD world was Earth then that would also explain some of the other “earth like” things in the PD world - such as why the gravity is the same, or - as I mentioned before - why we never hear of more than twelve months in a imperial year.
Interesting idea anyway, although that “gateway” which appears above the tower, could be leading anywhere, not necessarily a location above the Tower.[/quote]
Well, it really kinda makes sense if you think about it. Do you honestly think that the Ancients would put the source of Sestren on the planet, itself? Remember, Sestren’s original purpose was to act as an observer – and the best place to put an observer is to put it completely out of harm’s way. In other words, in orbit around the planet. To put it into perspective, I don’t think the Ancients would be very thilled if they suddenly woke up and found all their precious data destroyed. With that said, I suddenly have “I am the eye in the sky, looking at you” lyrics going through my head.
Well, to be honest, you really have no clue what’s going on in the Panzer Dragoon Universe until you play PDS. I really don’t care what anyone else says on the matter. In PDS, we all first discovered what the Towers’ purpose were, what drones were, and what Sestren was. PDS was a very deep game if you take the time to observe, and I have yet to play a game that even comes close to its brilliance.
I will entertain the possibility of Panzer Dragoon being set on a future Earth, only if it’s spelled out explicitly in a new game. And even then I’ll be kicking and screaming…
I have one theory about 80-90% done Solo, it’s been hard to finish partly because of the need to argue for a certain state of affairs for half of it.
But I think I’ll try to wrap it up since I have nothing but free time for a couple days. I should warn you it’s pretty gargantuan already though.
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Well, to be honest, you really have no clue what’s going on in the Panzer Dragoon Universe until you play PDS. I really don’t care what anyone else says on the matter. In PDS, we all first discovered what the Towers’ purpose were, what drones were, and what Sestren was. PDS was a very deep game if you take the time to observe, and I have yet to play a game that even comes close to its brilliance.[/quote]
Indeed you are right in the matter but this does not mean I don’t know ** ANYTHING ** about the series. Indeed there is much I have not heard about the game but would be very interested. I just don’t have PDS and it would be pretty much impossible to find now, Panzer Dragoon the Original I have played on PDO and passed it. But otherwise the other games (except PDO and the Original Panzer Dragoon game of course) I have never played. And I of course do not own a Sega so that makes it all the harder.
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Well, to be honest, you really have no clue what’s going on in the Panzer Dragoon Universe until you play PDS. I really don’t care what anyone else says on the matter. In PDS, we all first discovered what the Towers’ purpose were, what drones were, and what Sestren was. PDS was a very deep game if you take the time to observe, and I have yet to play a game that even comes close to its brilliance.[/quote]
Indeed you are right in the matter but this does not mean I don’t know ** ANYTHING ** about the series. Indeed there is much I have not heard about the game but would be very interested. I just don’t have PDS and it would be pretty much impossible to find now, Panzer Dragoon the Original I have played on PDO and passed it. But otherwise the other games (except PDO and the Original Panzer Dragoon game of course) I have never played. And I of course do not own a Sega so that makes it all the harder.[/quote]
There’s always emulation and bittorrent. I mean, come on, who pays for games anymore?
Eh, I’ll be stating the obvious here but since you asked… If nobody paid for games as you seem to think, then we simply would have no games at all. It’s simple logic really.
Game companies = money makers. No money = no game companies = no games.
Alteast not the kind of games yo… sorry, “people” love so much they have to pirate. We’d still get all the homebrew and such I suppose, but if those were enough, then the scumbags who put all sorts of illogical and so very transparent excuses for piracy would simply not pirate anything and just stick to homebrew at best, or simply not game at all and spend their time doing something more productive than stealing things they claim aren’t worth paying for, and yet still spending all that time with those same things…
[quote=“Al3xand3r”]Eh, I’ll be stating the obvious here but since you asked… If nobody paid for games as you seem to think, then we simply would have no games at all. It’s simple logic really.
Game companies = money makers. No money = no game companies = no games.
Alteast not the kind of games yo… sorry, “people” love so much they have to pirate. We’d still get all the homebrew and such I suppose, but if those were enough, then the scumbags who put all sorts of illogical and so very transparent excuses for piracy would simply not pirate anything and just stick to homebrew at best, or simply not game at all and spend their time doing something more productive than stealing things they claim aren’t worth paying for, and yet still spending all that time with those same things…[/quote]
Nothing you can say or do will change my stance on things. BTW, the PS3 has been cracked as of yesterday wihout the need for a modchip! All that’s needed now is an isoloader, and the free games shall keep on coming.
