I remember when, yep you guessed, Abadd stated that the D-Types were programs designed to download themselves into coolias and evolve them into dragons. The question is: was the gold dragon we see in Sestren’s first memory orb actually Sestren, or another dragon program?
The booming voice of Sestren emanating from the Tower outside the Imperial capital comfirms the activation of two separate units, yet always refers to the Dark Dragon as Unit 01, and later D-Type 01. If Unit 02 was D-Type 02 then it couldn’t have been the Dark Dragon’s drone rider. What was D-Type 02? The answer can only be the Heresy dragon.
Lance theorised that the reason why the gold dragon bore a golden visage inside Sestren was because it was recognized by the Sestren system. I know that when the Heresy dragon takes over Sestren it says the will of the ancients is with it now, and subsequently becomes gold, but what if the gold dragon was simply another dragon program?
Why would Sestren monitor itself through its own oval eye?
If the gold dragon was the Dark Dragon – a Tower guardian – then couldn’t the Heresy dragon also be a Tower guardian gone rogue? The Dark Dragon and the armoured blue dragon in Panzer Dragoon are both Solo Wing dragons – the most powerful of the ancients’ dragons. Not only that, but they are sentient, which no doubt limited their production.
I’m probably way off the mark here, but I felt like exploring a few new possibilities nonetheless.
I’m pretty sure that the little black shape is the Heresy Dragon being “spawned”. As big as the gold… aura is, the little Heresy fella’ is probably in its shadow.
Why wouldn’t it? The stupid thing has to perform maintenance every now and again, no?
Why would Sestren monitor itself through its own oval eye?
Don’t forget that Sestren is not just (taht is, if it REALLY is) one of those two.He’s also the great orange void we see in Saga and the place where FORBIDDEN MEMORIES takes place in PDOrta.
couldn’t the Heresy dragon also be a Tower guardian gone rogue?
Regarding pretty much everything that can be theorized (sp?) about in the PD world, I’ve made and unmade up my mind but …
Yes I could cope witrh that.That’s not a remote possibility.
The problem about making theories about most PD events is that we don’t know just how far does it all go.I mean if in PD1 they had told me that there was this big network called Sestren I woulnd’t suspect it.
We keep learning about how this world works and ther eis no way of telling what can happen anymore.What can and can not happen in this world as far as physics/magic is concerned??
I don’t see a reason on why sestren wouldn’t record itself chasing the heresy program, it was clearly a very importand event and every importand event like that has been recorded. What difference does it make that in this event sestren itself takes place?
I don’t think it could be a tower guardian dragon, why would one of those have the ability to destroy towers? It was clearly a dragon created to shut them down, not a dragon created to protect any of them.
How does that reply to anything I said about the dragon?
[quote=“Al3xand3r”]
why would one of those have the ability to destroy towers? It was clearly a dragon created to shut them down, not a dragon created to protect any of them.[/quote]
If you create a dragon to protect something, why would you give that dragon the ability to destroy it along with all the rest towers?
All dragons have destructive powers to obliterate any menace to the towers. It can destroy anything, including towers, because towers are physical things.
In PD1 and PD2 the dragon destroy the towers physically blowing his own body in the process. Only in PDS the tower is destroyed in another way, when Azel shuts it down, vanishing it from existence.
The Drones are built to control the towers, not destroy them. But, as Azel showed us, they can destroy the towers too.
If the HD was a program created by rebels or an ancient program that changed his mind we can only speculate.
I wonder if the programs are the Dragons’ consciences controlling their bodies from the sestren space. If so the Dark Dragon in PD1, like Lagi, was just a body controlled by a program (his conscience) from sestren space. But in Lagi’s case the program was downloaded directly into the coolia’s body.
Really Gehn? Then what’s that glowing horn of our lil dragon in the end of PD1 if I’m not mistaken…(I haven’t played it. I’ve seen the sequence somewhere though)
It might even have been Zwei’s blue dragon ending…All I know is it exists
SegaTecToy, Azel was created to control the tower, if you can control it you can shut it down as well… But if you are just meant to protect it why would you be given enough power to destroy it? And exactly what makes you think ANY dragon could do the same thing? Even if lagi IS just “blowing his own body” what makes you believe that is not a function made to destroy the towers? What else would it be there for? A last resort weapon? Dragons were the most powerful of creatures, they wouldn’t need a last resort weapon… Lagi doesn’t ever need it even when fighting other dragons or other monstrous ancient creations so what enemy could be so powerful for Lagi to need that 'weapon" if not to destroy a Tower?
Sorry, I’ve only just got back online after several days, so I’ll start by giving my opinions on Geoff’s original points if that’s cool:
Just a quick question, but did Abadd literally say that they were designed to download themselves into Coolias? I ask because it’s implied that Coolias didn’t exist in the Ancient Age; they’re “mutated monsters” after all, which are meant to be the creatures that have descended over the millennia from mutated pure-types which gained the ability to reproduce. As far as I was aware, pure-types were the original creations of the Ancients, yet mutated monsters were their unplanned descendants.
One theory I had was that Coolias might be the modern-day regression of the original pure-type dragons. Every mutated monster is meant to have come from a pure-type source long ago, and this might actually make sense. Keep in mind the generally unimpressive creatures that the dinosaurs of our own world have apparently regressed into
Importantly there’s the fact that the black dragon program was so determined to enter into a Coolia in the first place. This could be because it was possible to reverse-engineer a Coolia’s genes in order to make it take on the forms of the dragons that its species originated from.
I don’t know if anyone’s ever brought that up before, but I thought it was quite a nice idea.
I really get the impression that the names “Unit 01” and “Unit 02” mentioned in that opening sequence are not going by the same terminology as “D Type 01”. In truth, “D Type 01” is just another way of writing the Dark Dragon’s true name - the “Prototype Dragon” or, more accurately, the “Proto Dragon”. “Proto” means “first” or “one” and “D” is the common Panzer abbreviation for Dragon, so essentially “D Type 01” = “Dragon Type One” = “Dragon Type Proto” = “Proto Type Dragon”.
Importantly though, the Blue Dragon is never referred to as D Type 02 (as far as I can remember, anyway). The Blue Dragon was also not being activated by Sestren at the beginning of PD1, so I don’t think it can be the Unit 02 that the voice from the Tower spoke of. From what I can tell, “Unit 01” and “Unit 02” were probably just arbitrary tags applied to entities by the Tower’s / Sestren’s scanning systems, whereas D Type 01 was the Dark Dragon’s actual name. My best guess is that Unit 02 is either the Drone that the Dark Dragon was carrying or the Tower itself (which if you remember also went active at that same time.)
My thoughts exactly - why would it be looking at itself and literally ordering itself to follow the black dragon program? My idea before arriving at TWOTA was that the golden dragon program was an independant sentinel within the Sestren system, which was being commanded to act by the primary Sestren AI. I’d never made the Dark Dragon connection myself though, and it’s a nice, realistic extension of the theory.
Overall, good theory. What keeps bothering me though is that the black dragon program was able to usurp control of the Sestren system at all. As far as I can tell, the black dragon program probably didn’t have equal status to the primary Sesten AI (Sestren Exsis), but the control of the Towers did pass onto it when the Sesten Exsis was destroyed.
The question would then be, why would control pass to the black dragon program? It could be because the black dragon program forced control over the Towers rather than inheriting it naturally - that would be plausible. It could also be that the dragon programs were the “highest” AIs in the system after the Sestren Exsis, so the system would select one of them as its new controller. It’s even possible that the black dragon program was the last dragon program left in the system at that time - after all, we never see any other Tower-guardian dragons after the end of PD Saga.
So realistically, the system may have appointed it controller of the Towers by default following the Sestren Exsis’ destruction, or it could have grabbed control while it had the chance.
Al3x : Well that last resort weapon was used twice.PD1 and PD2.
Didn’t Atolm have a chance of beating our dragon?It did didn’t it?
It’s a guardian dragon also ain’t it?Well it’s just like BrinquedoTecnologicoDaSega said : they are creatures that have destructive power on physicall objects.
Also, weren’t we told somewhere in PDS that the dragon is actually doing what the Ancients meant for him to do? Meaning shut the towers down? I’m sure it’s not just a theory brought out of nowhere that the dragon is indeed fulfilling his duty except it does it earlier than it should… It was based somewhere, where is that somewhere though? I don’t remember but I’m sure we are clearly told that in a game, I remember being surprised at first thinking that perhaps all this was in vain and that the rider and dragon were mere puppets even tho so far I thought they are different…ofcourse it turned out that’s not the case still…
Anyone that can confirm of this info being available in a game?
You didn’t really reply again, did you see the dragon use his last resort weapon when Atolm had the chance to beat him?
Also you can’t confirm a theory by using it as proof of itself… so saying “It’s a guardian dragon also ain’t it”, I think isn’t very fitting since to say that means you already are certain heresy is a guardian dragon…
Like I said that function of Heresy that you call a last resort weapon (I asked if that’s what you think it is in my post, I didn’t claim it really is that, quite the opposite) has only ever been used to destroy a tower (shellcoof is called the tower of the sky as we know) so what makes you think it’s a weapon when it’s never been used for anything other than that even when the dragon was almost beaten by another dragon?
And where do you base that all dragons can do that? We have nothing at all to confirm this. Atolm didn’t use it while almost being beaten either, nor did the Dark Dragon before it died, nor the Guardian Dragon. If it really was just a last resort weapon and not something only Heresy has in order to destroy the towers then it would have been used by each of those before dieing and Lagi would have been toast.
You have a point here. From the footage it appears that the self-explosion of the dragon’s body have the power of a tactical nuke. From PDS we can see that the Towers are really huge and full of self-defenses. Maybe only a explosion with that power and from inside can destroy a tower (or at least enough of it to disable the tower).
But how the dragon do it and if all dragons, or only Lagi, can do it (the self-destruction) we can’t tell.
[quote=“Al3xand3r”]You didn’t really reply again, did you see the dragon use his last resort weapon when Atolm had the chance to beat him?
Also you can’t confirm a theory by using it as proof of itself… so saying “It’s a guardian dragon also ain’t it”, I think isn’t very fitting since to say that means you already are certain heresy is a guardian dragon…[/quote]
I was talking about Atolm saying IT was a guradian dragon.
[quote=“Al3xand3r”]Like I said that function of Heresy that you call a last resort weapon (I asked if that’s what you think it is in my post, I didn’t claim it really is that, quite the opposite) has only ever been used to destroy a tower (shellcoof is called the tower of the sky as we know) so what makes you think it’s a weapon when it’s never been used for anything other than that even when the dragon was almost beaten by another dragon?
And where do you base that all dragons can do that? We have nothing at all to confirm this. Atolm didn’t use it while almost being beaten either, nor did the Dark Dragon before it died, nor the Guardian Dragon. If it really was just a last resort weapon and not something only Heresy has in order to destroy the towers then it would have been used by each of those before dieing and Lagi would have been toast.[/quote]
The simple explanation:the Heresy Dragon is the most powerful dragon ever known.It’s conceivable that it can do that.STILL you knwo that in PDOrta Evren’s Dragonmare does that “explosion act” while not as powerful…
When the voice from the Tower says “Unit 01” and “Unit 02”, it apparently isn’t talking in the same terms as the name “D Type 01”. Similarly, in Zwei’s Pandora’s Box the terms “Type_01” and “Type_02” don’t mean the same things either. As “Type_01” is the Blue Dragon and “Type_02” is the Dark Dragon, I’d say that these are just placeholder names for the “first type” and the “second type” of dragons that appeared in PD1. There’s no way that these correspond to “D Type” names, at any rate, because the Dark Dragon’s would be wrong.
So essentially it’s just a heap of very similar terms that end up being quite confusing
As I think we’ve more or less ascertained, Lagi wasn’t quite following the same rules as normal Ancient Age dragons. It’s likely that the “Tower detonation” attack he performs could be something added to its genetic makeup by the black dragon program that was inhabiting his body. At any rate, real Ancient Age dragons don’t seem to have that ability, so my best guess is that it was added to the physical dragon when the program was “redesigning” the Coolia into that form.
