The Three Magi

Panzer Dragoon
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They certainly do, as they actually appear in the same memory cell. I looked into this a bit when I was editing the Orta script for the site last week, and none of the old pieces of dialogue actually retain their wordings from the previous games. Some of them are technically new pieces of dialogue that only echo old statements, like the one you’ve pointed out. The thing is, I suspect that the lines about the “seed of their future” might fall into this category; that they might be “reworked” lines regarding Azel.

On top of that there’s the fact that those lines appear in the second set of memory cells, all of which contain dialogue from the old games (except the Heresy Program’s cell, but that was meant to be a recording from the time of PDS as well). And then there’s the fact that the voice that says those lines about someone being the “seed of their future” doesn’t actually sound like Gash…

I get the impression that it’s at least as likely those lines are meant to be about Azel.

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something i never understood was: how did orta get into the hands of the seekers?

so azel created orta, lets assume in some kind of ancient ruin with abilities such as that, then where did azel go?

is azel still alive somewhere? i assumed she commit suicide (or something similar) when she wasn’t able to find edge. but that seems very strange… to create a child- the only meaning in her “fruitless searches” and then abandon it. i have to assume azel was dead or else she would have been there to raise and protect orta…

or perhaps azel died first… THEN created orta, perhaps she left her physical body and decided to become part of the sestren. from there she would still be able to interact with the ruins and create orta. but then some pesky seekers broke in, stole the drone child, and locked it away…

how long after PDS did PDO take place? was it 40 years? i have a hard time believing gash is still alive, but it’s entirely possible he was the one that lead the seekers to yelico valley.

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I was wondering about this kind of thing too. The message that Azel left in Sestren seems to imply that she wasn’t able to be there while Orta was growing up at all, so how she was able to create a child but unable to be with it stumps me.

I also get the impression that Azel passed away, but perhaps she was dying of whatever passes for “Drone old age” when she created Orta, and was well aware of the fact? Perhaps her searches were “fruitless” (in her words) because she had not been able to find Edge before her time came? It would at least explain why she wasn’t there to watch her daughter grow up and to protect her from capture by humans.

It seems that there were Seeker settlements all over the Continent, so it’s possible that Yelico Valley existed at the time of PDS. I was trying to work out how likely it was that Gash was alive too, but I really couldn’t figure out how old he was meant to be at the time of Saga; anything from twenties to forties was my best guess.

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Rewacth the FMV before Edge and Azel go to the Tower then.

Lance : none of the other lines ommit (sp?) the subject it hink…

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I agree that the meaning and origins of the lines found in the memory cells are debatable, but something has to be relevant to the theme of the game (i.e. Orta’s quest for self-discovery). Something has to hint at why the Seekers locked Orta away… otherwise the story of the game would be a complete mystery. What was so special about Orta? Perhaps she is nothing more than a weapon after all.

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The same FMV sequence in which Gash doesn’t speak a single word to Azel, you mean?

Gash needed Azel. Nothing more. If I was Gash I’d almost certainly resent Azel for activating the Tower of Uru…

“The monsters killed Craymen. He died as part of his vision, as part of the Tower’s cycle. Food for the monsters you awakened”.

The answer to how Gash regarded Azel lies in how the Seekers treated Orta. Perhaps he was protective of Orta, but it seems his fellow Seekers imprisoned Orta to protect themselves from her. The Seekers weren’t sure how to treat drones; however, they seemed to air on the side of caution.

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That’s the only scene where he’s harsh towards her…

In the scen I was talking about, I know he doesn’t talk with her, but he does mention Azel when talking to Edge…

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“We’re not really alive. We’re just being forced to live. The Ancients’ spirits are making sure of that.”

I believe these lines were about Orta. After all, Gash appeared in the credits too. It wouldn’t surprise me if these were Gash’s last words, and they were misinterpreted by the remaining Seekers (I doubt Gash would make the same mistakes the Empire has made).

Or perhaps she is simply nothing more than a half-drone. That alone makes her special enough. The Empire, Seekers and Wormriders only think about “weapons” whenever they hear the word “drone”. Only Azel knows why Orta exists, but the answer may be much more simple than it seems. Remember why Lagi left a baby dragon behind? Simply because it was a proof that he had once lived.

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although it never explained HOW the dragon was left behind… maybe… orta is the dragon’s mother o_O

don’t think about it!!

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Perhaps the truth is nothing more mysterious than the Seekers seeing the inherant value in a Drone, though? After all, Orta’s own lines seem to indicate this kind of reasoning:

**They were all afraid of me…
They said that I was the harbinger of destruction…

I was chained in a cage and told that
I would stay there until I was needed for war…**

… coupled with the assertion that Drones were:

The soulless tools of the Ancients,
created with but one purpose: war.

… this would appear to make sense, anyway.

As I say though, none of the other memory cells in the second group have any relevance to Orta’s quest (as opposed to the first group of memory cells, all of which contain lines from this game). Consider the lines in context - here’s all the lines from the second group of cells:

**“She is the seed of our future…”

“We must protect it at all costs.”

“We’re not really alive…
We’re just being forced to live.”

“The Ancients’ spirits are
making sure of that.”

“Purging of bug initiated.”

“He will… always be with me.”

“All ground units mobilized.
Security measures initiated.”

“Don’t… let him reach the tower…
My dragon… knows the way…”**

Now if none of those other lines have anything to do with Orta, and if all of those other lines are pieces of dialogue (or reworked pieces of dialogue) from the Saturn games, isn’t it at least possible that we were jumping to conclusions when we assumed those lines were meant to be new rather than old, and about Orta rather than about Azel?

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I don’t know if the statements “she is the seed of our future” or “we must protect it at all costs” were meant to refer to Orta or not. They could be and we can draw on those quotes to explain why the Seekers held her captive. If the voice of Gash in particular is referring to Orta, then a character we knew from a previous game – the leader of the Seekers no less – knew something about Orta’s true nature. That’s what makes those quotes especially intriguing: they are possibly referring to Orta. Of course, this is all the evidence my overactive imagination needs to draw the conclusion that Orta was designed to fulfill some grand, higher purpose. Time will tell.

I was under the impression that Gash’s quote (“we must protect it at all costs”) was newly recorded for PD Orta.

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It’s possible that Gash was refering to Orta but still dind’t really know what it meant.It could be that he dind’t really PERCEIVE that she was indeed the “seed”; instead he gathered that information from somewhere(one) else…

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I suspect - although I haven’t currently confirmed this - that all of the memory cell quotes from PD Saga were re-recorded for this game, as they were originally in Japanese where PD Orta is meant to be in Panzerese. The written dialogue for them differs more from the original quotes, too, leaving us with lines such as “Purging of bug initiated” and “The Ancients’ spirits are making sure of that” which didn’t literally appear in the earlier game.

My suspicion was that the “seed of our future / protect it at all costs” lines were a similar re-recording and re-write, especially seeing as half of that dialogue (“We must protect it at all costs”) literally was spoken about Azel in PD Saga.

But yeah, there’s no way we can be really sure about those lines, and I haven’t been able to check up on the re-recording thing yet.

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The impression I received was that the quotes from the old Saturn games were grouped together not because they belonged to those games, but because they were recorded by Sestren in the distant past.

Now I have to wonder if Gash was referring to Orta, but I still believe he was.

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Little off-topic: Everyone who played the Soul Reaver series knows just how pawn-like some of the character are.The player is often led to believe that was a certain character says is true (even when that character is thinking to himself) and afterwards is proven wrong…

My point: Just cause Gash says something ti doesn’t mean it’s true.Gash wouldn’t have a way to real prove something that never actually took place (Orta’s part in the reconstruction of the world).

So I say we can look lightly at Gash’s words.

I still am 100% sure it’s Orta tho.

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[quote=“GehnTheBerserker”]My point: Just cause Gash says something ti doesn’t mean it’s true.Gash wouldn’t have a way to real prove something that never actually took place (Orta’s part in the reconstruction of the world).

So I say we can look lightly at Gash’s words.

I still am 100% sure it’s Orta tho.[/quote]

For the sake of what meaning the creators of the game intended to convey, Gash knew something about Orta – something which left them with no choice but to lock her away, if Gash was in charge, or if those words are referring to Orta at all.

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I’m not saying he dind’t.I’m saying it’s not something he learned for himself…

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[quote=“Lance”]As I say though, none of the other memory cells in the second group have any relevance to Orta’s quest (as opposed to the first group of memory cells, all of which contain lines from this game). Consider the lines in context - here’s all the lines from the second group of cells:

**“She is the seed of our future…”

“We must protect it at all costs.”

“We’re not really alive…
We’re just being forced to live.”

“The Ancients’ spirits are
making sure of that.”

“Purging of bug initiated.”

“He will… always be with me.”

“All ground units mobilized.
Security measures initiated.”

“Don’t… let him reach the tower…
My dragon… knows the way…”**[/quote]

I could be wrong, but didn’t these quotes appear in the second memory block too? :

**The Legendary Dragon of Destruction.
Perhaps the dragonmares led it here…

Capture the girl and the Dragonmares within the Cradle will be completed!

She’s only a drone!
Show no mercy!**

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[quote=“D-Unit”]I could be wrong, but didn’t these quotes appear in the second memory block too? :

**The Legendary Dragon of Destruction.
Perhaps the dragonmares led it here…

Capture the girl and the Dragonmares within the Cradle will be completed!

She’s only a drone!
Show no mercy!**[/quote]

Nope, they’re all from the first group. :slight_smile: The division is pretty clear; the five memory cells in the first memory block (i.e. the group that you reach after the first sub-boss) contain only quotes from PDO, while the five from the second memory block contain quotes from the era of the Saturn games, along with these debatable quotes about the seed of someone’s future.

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Ah I see, my mistake :slight_smile: Since we’re talking about these Memory Cells anyway, here’s a question I’ve been wondering about: Memory Cell 5 is called a “Deep Memory Cell”. Why? The dialogue didn’t seem to be all that special compared to the rest. Also, why do the PD 1 quotes end up in the “Residual Data Sector” instead of a normal Memory Cell?