The elimination of the "Impurity"

Sestren’s AI wanted to eliminate the Impurity (namely - the Heresy’s shell - the dragon/coolia).He attempted to do it two times, in PD1 with the Dark Dragon and in PD2 with Shelcoof.

But what would have happened if it had succeeded?Surely the dragon would have perished but would about the Heresy Program?

Woul it return to the Sestren plane?

The Heresy says that it duty is thousands of years old.Why dind’t Sestren AI banish it sooner?Why only in the PDZwei timeline?

It’s funny because we have no idea how much time the Heresy dragon spent in the real world after it was banished from Sestren; it could’ve been lingering around for “thousands of years” for all we know.

Of course, I find that highly unlikely. Sestren didn’t wait to pursue the Heresy dragon.

One explanation would be that the AI only noticed that the Heresy Program was “impure” when it did something that drew attention to itself. Other than that, the Program could be talking about its “duty” to ultimately preserve humankind; if it was a part of the Sestren network, that would have essentially been its intended “duty” - just a duty that it chose to fulfill completely in its own way.

I think Sestren only noticed that the Heresy Dragon became “impure” when it was infected by the Impurity. The Heresy Dragon itself may have been working fine for thousands of years until the Impurity emerged and affected the Heresy Dragon’s programming.

There was no Heresy Dragon before the Heresy program entered Lagi, before Zwei.

The impurity IS the program.The impurity was acquired and reacquired by sestren (PD1 and PD2).What happened in between those events?

Was the Heresy Program dormant as Lagi(the dragon)??Didn’t the “radar” that Sestren’s AI used to track the Heresy work during that time?

Hmm… it genuinely seemed to be implied that Heresy was the “impurity” that the Sestren AI detected, though; the way the AI talked about it really seemed to suggest that. Of course we can’t rule anything out, but I get the impression that Heresy was an “impurity” simply because of what it was trying to do.

But what if the heresy Dragon was simply carrying the Impurity? The Heresy Dragon itself could have been a program that was always supposed to exist in Sestren. It’s possible that it only became “heretic” because the Impurity affected it.

Most people seem to think that the Heresy program was the Impurity, some sort of virus in the system. What I’m suggesting is: what if the Heresy Dragon was a program that was infected by a “virus”, which changed its programming?

[quote=“GehnTheBerserker”]The impurity was acquired and reacquired by sestren (PD1 and PD2).What happened in between those events?

Was the Heresy Program dormant as Lagi(the dragon)??Didn’t the “radar” that Sestren’s AI used to track the Heresy work during that time?[/quote]

Although we’ve never been shown how the Sestren AI actually goes about monitoring the world, I’d guess that there were some limits to its powers of observation; bascially, that it took a while to locate the Heresy Program again whenever it lost its trace on it.

Reread my post please Lance :slight_smile:
That was excatly what I said :stuck_out_tongue:

D-Unit : What could that impurity be then?What would make it heretic?

I say the mere fact that it goes agehnst TWOTA.Wanting to break the spell of the Ancient Age sounds heretic enough to me :slight_smile:

[quote=“Lance Way”]

[quote=“GehnTheBerserker”]The impurity was acquired and reacquired by sestren (PD1 and PD2).What happened in between those events?

Was the Heresy Program dormant as Lagi(the dragon)??Didn’t the “radar” that Sestren’s AI used to track the Heresy work during that time?[/quote]

Although we’ve never been shown how the Sestren AI actually goes about monitoring the world, I’d guess that there were some limits to its powers of observation; bascially, that it took a while to locate the Heresy Program again whenever it lost its trace on it.[/quote]

Why did it lost trace of it then?

Asking myself that made me think of something :slight_smile:
Maybe because Lagi destroyed a Tower thus disabling part of Sestren’s “All Seeing Eye”.

Well, suppose that you’re an ancient rebel. You of course, want to destroy the Towers. You find out that there’s a program that will destroy the Towers when their work is done. Now, if you could create a virus that would change the “tower destruction” program’s original objective just enough to let it destroy the Towers before they have finished their work…

[quote=“GehnTheBerserker”]Reread my post please Lance :slight_smile:
That was excatly what I said :P[/quote]

Sorry, I was replying to D-Unit - I just forgot to “quote”. :slight_smile:

As to the impurity / virus idea - I’d say it’s possible, but I’m personally a bit sceptical of it. The way the FMV and dialogue runs during that sequence in PDS, it really seems that we’re meant to think of the Heresy Program as the “impurity” - and nothing that comes after seems to contradict that notion, or really suggest that the “impurity” was something else.

[quote=“D-Unit”]

Well, suppose that you’re an ancient rebel. You of course, want to destroy the Towers. You find out that there’s a program that will destroy the Towers when their work is done. Now, if you could create a virus that would change the “tower destruction” program’s original objective just enough to let it destroy the Towers before they have finished their work…[/quote]

Someone said today that maybe the Heresy program wasn’t banned exactly before Zwei.I disagree completely.The movie clearly shows us that it was banned and it immmediatelly appeared there (entering Lagi).

If the impurity was the rebel’s work then the banishment would have happened a long time ago (when the rebel who made thsoe arrangements was alive) and not now, in PDZ’s era.

That was another point I added to the small pile of things that suggest Lagi / the dragon might have died at the end of PDZ and at the end of PD1. If Sestren only detected the Heresy Program for the first time (in the real world) when it manifested itself in Lagi, it might be that it can only detect it when it enters into a living being and actually starts “doing things” (i.e. altering the creature’s genetic code to turn it into a dragon). If the dragons’ physical bodies died at the end of those two games, that would potentially explain why Sestren lost track of the Program: because it was just floating around as data-energy during that time, or whatever it was meant to be composed of…

[quote=“D-Unit”]

Well, suppose that you’re an ancient rebel. You of course, want to destroy the Towers. You find out that there’s a program that will destroy the Towers when their work is done. Now, if you could create a virus that would change the “tower destruction” program’s original objective just enough to let it destroy the Towers before they have finished their work…[/quote]

I think this holds the most truth but I’m not sure why the Heresy dragon wasn’t activated sooner.

I ask you three to read my last two posts and prove me wrong.

If the ancient rebels really did plan for the Heresy Program to do what it did though, why program it to do that only after ten thousand years? I still get the impression that the Program was probably acting on its own by destroying the Towers; that explanation at least seems to rely on fewer unknown variables.

That was what I said.

Not to sound picky but we must start to put “Poster’sname :” before replying to anyone in particular :slight_smile:

Not really. The Impurity may have remained undetected until it infected the Heresy program. Sestren seemed to qualify this as a “bug”. I think it meant there was a bug in the Heresy Dragon’s programming that needed to be purged (simply the Impurity that needed to be taken away from the Heresy program).

I can’t explain why it would not have been activated sooner though.