Instead, trying explaining why Sestren AI dind’t decteted it sooner once it was already insdie the Sestren space trying to infect the Heresy Program 
Point taken.
This is why I at least favour the idea that the Heresy Program was acting on its own, and that it was classified as an “impurity” simply because of what it was trying to do (or maybe just because it was thinking for itself at all)…
Yes I think that too.I think the idea that the Heresy Program wasn’t originality considered an Impurity is only good to explain why it wasn’t banned sooner form Sestren.
Still it doesn’t acomplish that fully since there is no way to tell how exactly the “infectedment” could had happened.
If it was the product of the mind of someone form teh Ancient Age it should have served it’s prupose a long time ago.
Surely 10 000 years is enough time…
But that wouldn’t be any different if the Heresy program was infected by the Impurity just before the start of Zwei. The Impurity itself could have remained hidden, waiting for a window of opportunity to attack and infect the Heresy program.
(Heretic = Impure) in my mind.
The Heresy Program was always an Impurity.
It could have been a Program with a different purpose directly related to the one it has now.In opposition.
Like : the Program was originally meant to ensure that TWOTA would not be broken.
Infected it did all things reversed…
This is just brainstorming tho…
Those were pretty much my thoughts too, Gehn. On top of that the PDO memory cells do show that Sestren thought of the thing as a “bug”. In the most normally used sense of the word a “bug” is a part of a computer system that is not behaving as it should because of some fault in itself: not something that is behaving incorrectly because of a virus or because of some other external agent.
Orta herself was also qualified as a “bug” when she entered the episode 6 ruin, like something that wasn’t supposed to be there. So it’s possible that Sestren did mean the bug was the Impurity within the Heresy Dragon, like a malicious piece of code that wasn’t supposed to exist in the Heresy program.
The voice called her an “unauthorized molecular structure”; that’s a bit different.
It’s certainly possible, my point was only that it doesn’t seem like the most obvious interpretation. On the other hand, if we were indeed meant to think of the Heresy Program as a virus-infected program, why were we presented with the words “Purging of bug initiated” instead of “Purging of virus initiated” or “Purging of corrupted program initiated”?
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The voice called her an “unauthorized molecular structure”; that’s a bit different. :)[/quote]
Erm… I seem to have mixed things up with that “Purge initiated” quote from the ruin in episode 6
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It’s certainly possible, my point was only that it doesn’t seem like the most obvious interpretation. On the other hand, if we were indeed meant to think of the Heresy Program as a virus-infected program, why were we presented with the words “Purging of bug initiated” instead of “Purging of virus initiated” or “Purging of corrupted program initiated”?[/quote]
It’s possible that the activation of the Heresy program was identified as a bug by Sestren, but it didn’t know yet that the Impurity caused the bug.
Looking at it the other way around though D-Unit, why would suggest that this impurity really is a virus infecting the Heresy Program rather than just the Heresy Program itself? In PDS Sestren does literally talk about the Heresy Program as if it is the “impurity”, not as if it’s something containing a seperate “impurity”; that’s where a lot of my doubt comes from.
Because we have been led to believe that the program was a part of the Ancients plan. A “virus” theory would explain why the program started to act against the Ancients’ will. I find it difficult to believe that, after then thousand year, the Heresy program decided for itself to save humanity and call that his “duty”. Why would it give himself such a mission, and go against the will of its own creators?
And if we consider your theory (the program decided for itself to destroy the Towers), then why would the Sky Rider do what he did?
That’s just it, the program was originally made to go agehnst the Will of the Ancients.
And I don’t think we are led to believe otherwise in any part of the games.
Maybe the Program’s task was simply scheduled for a specific date;perhaps when ti’s creators new the Ancient Age would have already ended and the new people would be leaving under its shadow…
Well we know that the Ancients had some serious issues with their more intelligent creations thinking for themselves; Drones (like Azel) could reach an intellectual point where they could become self-aware and make their own decisions completely. Sestren’s programs were apparently organic creations too, and the Heresy Program did seem to be intelligent; it would make some sense if the same problems could apply. Essentially the Heresy Program’s actions may have been a parallel of Azel’s: it may have taken advantage of its capabilities, and used them against its absent creators simply because it wanted to do so.
Again, one explanation would be that he acted that way for the same reasons that Azel did. The truth is that we don’t know the Sky Rider’s story, but it’s possible that he was just another highly intellignet Drone and that - like Azel - he decided to aid the Heresy Dragon on its mission simply because it was his wish.
[quote=“GehnTheBerserker”]That’s just it, the program was originally made to go agehnst the Will of the Ancients.
And I don’t think we are led to believe otherwise in any part of the games.[/quote]
I’d say we’re led to believe otherwise in some very important places, Gehn; for example, what the Sestren AI says to the Heresy Program at the end of PDS really suggests the opposite to that:
Our purpose is to fulfill the will of the ancients. But… You have chosen a different path… You ignore your duty… You disobey the ancient ones…
That does seem to confirm that the Heresy Program was created by the Ancients to carry out their wishes, but that it had turned against them for whatever reason. Sestren does accuse the Program of “choosing” to go against the Ancients, too; that would actually tie in with the point I made above, that it may simply have been thinking and making decisions for itself.
Correct me if I’m wrong but isn’t the voice who said those lines the same we see talking to Edge and the DV in Saga’s last scene?
The problem here is that Azel was greatly influenced by others. The Heresy program evidently was not, so that would make it all the more strange that it suddenly decided to change its objective.
No, it was the Heresy program that was talking to Edge and the DV.
Yes I knwo that.What am asking is if it wasn’t the same voice?
Yeah, Azel must have been influenced and affected by what she’d seen of the Towers and the world, by what had happened in her life; after all, every decision needs motivation. I wouldn’t think it would be improbable for the Heresy Program to find all the motivation it needed within the Sestren network, though; Sestren had been monitoring and recording the outside world for the last ten thousand years, everything from the vital to the most completely trivial pieces of information. The Heresy Program was well aware that Sestren was keeping humankind subdued and stopping humans from controlling their own destiny; it said so itself.
The Heresy Program was evidently an intelligent entity, so given what it knew of Sestren’s purpose it may have just concluded that Sestren was “doing wrong”. After all, Azel came to exactly the same conclusion based on more or less the same information. If the Heresy Program had simply started thinking for itself like some of the Ancients’ other highly intelligent creations - basically because that was an unpredictable flaw that they would succumb to sometimes without warning - I wouldn’t think it was so strange that it would decide to go against Sestren and the Ancients’ plans. Many individuals (including Azel) who found out about Sestren’s true nature did decide to do the same thing.
The Heresy Program’s voice and the Sestren AI’s voice did sound pretty similar to me, so it’s certainly possible that they were the same voice actor. But yeah, those lines I’d quoted were definitely meant to be spoken by the Sestren AI storyline-wise.
Definately?
Hmmm…
I think TA ouldn’t just put the same voice actor doing both voices in Saga…