That’s a silly testement. VIRTUA FIGHTER is very debatable that its been raped if you count VIRTUA QUEST but the core series hasn’t. PANZER DRAGOON is in a totally different situation than SONIC and SHINING FORCE are in mainly because the people that helped create PANZER DRAGOON are still working for Sega whereas the teams behind SONIC and SHINING FORCE are no longer within the company. ORTA fits in nicely with the previous installments where SONIC and ShF does not.
[quote=“Goonboy Panzer”]
want SEGA to make a new Panzer Dragoon?
That’s a silly testement. VIRTUA FIGHTER is very debatable that its been raped if you count VIRTUA QUEST but the core series hasn’t. PANZER DRAGOON is in a totally different situation than SONIC and SHINING FORCE are in mainly because the people that helped create PANZER DRAGOON are still working for Sega whereas the teams behind SONIC and SHINING FORCE are no longer within the company. ORTA fits in nicely with the previous installments where SONIC and ShF does not.[/quote]
Orta does not fit nicely, and most of the main people responsible for Panzer Dragoon have left Sega and gone to Artoon. That is, of course, the people who mattered anyway. If these people had a hand in creating Orta, it would have been a much better game.
[quote=“Kadamose”]
want SEGA to make a new Panzer Dragoon?
That’s a silly testement. VIRTUA FIGHTER is very debatable that its been raped if you count VIRTUA QUEST but the core series hasn’t. PANZER DRAGOON is in a totally different situation than SONIC and SHINING FORCE are in mainly because the people that helped create PANZER DRAGOON are still working for Sega whereas the teams behind SONIC and SHINING FORCE are no longer within the company. ORTA fits in nicely with the previous installments where SONIC and ShF does not.
Orta does not fit nicely, and most of the main people responsible for Panzer Dragoon have left Sega and gone to Artoon. That is, of course, the people who mattered anyway. If these people had a hand in creating Orta, it would have been a much better game.[/quote]
You mean it would be the fabled RPG game everyone wants? Stop crying over spilt milk dude,ORTA was a fine game and a chance for another PDRPG is more stronger than a decent SONIC game anyday of the week.
[quote=“Goonboy Panzer”]
want SEGA to make a new Panzer Dragoon?
That’s a silly testement. VIRTUA FIGHTER is very debatable that its been raped if you count VIRTUA QUEST but the core series hasn’t. PANZER DRAGOON is in a totally different situation than SONIC and SHINING FORCE are in mainly because the people that helped create PANZER DRAGOON are still working for Sega whereas the teams behind SONIC and SHINING FORCE are no longer within the company. ORTA fits in nicely with the previous installments where SONIC and ShF does not.
Orta does not fit nicely, and most of the main people responsible for Panzer Dragoon have left Sega and gone to Artoon. That is, of course, the people who mattered anyway. If these people had a hand in creating Orta, it would have been a much better game.
You mean it would be the fabled RPG game everyone wants? Stop crying over spilt milk dude,ORTA was a fine game and a chance for another PDRPG is more stronger than a decent SONIC game anyday of the week.[/quote]
I have NO doubt that there will be another Panzer Dragoon RPG - the question is, however, will it be any good? If Orta is any indication of where the series is headed, then I would definitely fear for the worst.
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Orta does not fit nicely, and most of the main people responsible for Panzer Dragoon have left Sega and gone to Artoon. That is, of course, the people who mattered anyway. If these people had a hand in creating Orta, it would have been a much better game.[/quote]
To you it doesn’t , Quite a few others like it, and give what the Team had to work with , they done a very good job with ORTA , and moving the story forward , given the ending to Saga .
Not all the Team left to go to Artoon , quite a few of old TA Team worked on ORTA and did a bang up job ,Apart from REZ I can’t think of any 3D shooter that comes close to ORTA this or last gen .
VF is one of the few SEGA IP thats maintained a high standard , In fact it got better has ithe series on, VF EVO is hands down the best 3D Fighter ever made . I get a bit sick of people just focusing on the bad , while overlooking a lot of the good SEGA is doing of late . Sure Sonic Next Gen wasn?t what it should have been, that doesn’t mean the whole group is inept . If the Team want to make a new Panzer Dragoon , I would love SEGA to make it .
But I would want it to be made , but only if the Tem wannted to make it and had new ideas to move the series forward . After playing Lost Planet I can only hope they do
[quote=“Team Andromeda”]
[quote]
Orta does not fit nicely, and most of the main people responsible for Panzer Dragoon have left Sega and gone to Artoon. That is, of course, the people who mattered anyway. If these people had a hand in creating Orta, it would have been a much better game.[/quote]
To you it doesn’t , Quite a few others like it, and give what the Team had to work with , they done a very good job with ORTA , and moving the story forward , given the ending to Saga .
Not all the Team left to go to Artoon , quite a few of old TA Team worked on ORTA and did a bang up job ,Apart from REZ I can’t think of any 3D shooter that comes close to ORTA this or last gen .[/quote]
Exactly. Anyhow the storyline for PDS2 was apparently completed before the some of the team moved on so at least the storyline for PDS2 will be close to the original vision of the TA unit not counting any changes if Smilebit/AV feels that they need to do.
Despite all that i did think ORTA was trying to sell itself to the japanese market at the time by having a female herorine which is the common cliche in Jgames these days and ORTA does feel different to any of the previous PD games,i dunno if its because i knew that team andromeda as we knew it were no longer involved had anything to do with my feelings towards ORTA or just the fact that it was a bigger more polished game graphics wise,i dunno but it was a great game nonetheless.
Actually, a large portion of the original Panzer team is still at Sega.
Just an FYI.
In fact, I was talking to the producer of Sonic and the Secret Rings and mentioned I had dinner with the old Panzer team, and he looked at me like I had just stabbed his mother. He said, “I worked on Panzer, too! Why didn’t you invite me?!” I felt so bad. He’s a cool guy 
That’s just something you can’t do…no matter who you are…he’s not going to the same place you are when he dies do you realize that?!..
It’s all right, though. I made him feel much better when we were talking about Sonic and the Secret Rings and he mentioned that the name of the guy who sings one of the theme songs, and I knew who it was. He said I was the first person to recognize him and he got all excited.
He’s a cool guy
[quote=“Abadd”]
He’s a cool guy :)[/quote]
I guess there’s no chace of him working onthe next Sonic ? . Like I said before the some effort was put inthe 360 and PS3 version. But I’m not sure if it was all a bit much for the producers
[quote=“Goonboy Panzer”]
Despite all that i did think ORTA was trying to sell itself to the japanese market at the time by having a female herorine which is the common cliche in Jgames these days and ORTA does feel different to any of the previous PD games.[/quote]
And that is wrong how? Do we honestly need to go back to the days where heroes came in two variants? Manly masculin man who can and naive farmboys who set out on a big adventure? Although I never played Orta I, if anything, applaud it for using a female main character who doesn’t fall into the Lara Croft/Mai Shiranui category.
As to feeling different, different isn’t by definition worse.
The female heroine isn’t something that’s exclusive to Japanese games. As Pedro pointed out, there’s Lara Croft, but also Fear Effect, No One Lives Forever, Perfect Dark, etc.
Just because the main character was a girl doesn’t mean it was targeted at the Japanese audience. In fact, the fact that it was made on the Xbox shows that it was aimed at the west, more than anything.
It wouldn’t have mattered if the main character were male or female - Orta, storywise, was a blundering mess. This is generally what happens when you have multiple authors working on projects which are supposed to sync up, but hardly ever do. The Azel Novel was a masterpiece, while the Orta Novel, which came out after the game was released, was absolute crap. This is the result of losing valuable team members, specifically, the artist, the writer, and the director…all of whom do not work for Sega anymore.
The remaining TA team members that reside at Sega are mainly programmers, and this is one of the reasons why Orta pales in comparison to its predessors. Without vision and a clear direction, what you get is a steaming pile of mediocrity…and that’s precisely what Orta is - I don’t care how beautiful the graphics are.
[quote=“Pedro The Hutt”]
[quote=“Goonboy Panzer”]
Despite all that i did think ORTA was trying to sell itself to the japanese market at the time by having a female herorine which is the common cliche in Jgames these days and ORTA does feel different to any of the previous PD games.[/quote]
And that is wrong how? Do we honestly need to go back to the days where heroes came in two variants? Manly masculin man who can and naive farmboys who set out on a big adventure? Although I never played Orta I, if anything, applaud it for using a female main character who doesn’t fall into the Lara Croft/Mai Shiranui category.
As to feeling different, different isn’t by definition worse.[/quote]
When did i say it was any worse? i just indicated that they are following a trend in Jfantasy style games that is all especially the chara design look FF8 employed. I didn’t once say the game was awful because of it its just i dunno how much was the decision to go with a female lead was decided on market trends or the story’s direction.
And it does feel diferent to the other PD games. If you read my posts i said the game fits nicely to the saturn trilogy but it does feel different to those games probably due to it being ona different system and etc.
I would call Orta an unnecessary addition, like a side story that wasn’t supposed to be there, but I wouldn’t call it crap. On a technical level, it offered more for me to do than even Zwei. Orta gripped me more than, say, Halo ever did, which I consider to be one of my five overrated games.
On a side note, I think we need to see more heroines that feel more natural. I’m sick of females that are either just there to look pretty or are overbuffed Xena wannabes. We need more heroines like Yorda and Jade.
I’m about as hopeful for another Panzer Dragoon game, even a shooter, as I am for another Nights Into Dreams. Which means it’s probably never going to happen. People don’t remember it. Everybody will think that Blue Dragon is going to be the first RPG with a blue dragon in it and that Lair will be the first shooter to allow someone to ride on the back of a dragon. Bah. I’m sick of it. Both of them already sound like snoozers. I’m also sick that Sega continues to release atrocities running around with the Shining name but refuses to translate the last two chapters of Shining Force III.
metacritic.com/games/platfor … icwildfire
Quite a few places have reviewed it already. It sounds decent I suppose, I wish it was better but it’s probably at least worth owning for Sega/Sonic fans.
76 from Gamespot is a-okay by their terms.
Some of what troubles me about the scores is that the actual words of the reviews indicated a higher score than the one given at the end. Also I’m not sure about GameSpot’s problem with the hedgehog always moving forward at top speed. Aren’t you supposed to be able to “pull back” the remote to cause Sonic to slowdown and even backtrack if needed?