Yeah, and they also gave PDS the 9th best RPG of all time. It should be number one! (Though I guess it’s fortunate that it even got listed at all, with G4 and Filter being all about mainstream gaming and all.)
The 1st Shenmue had many faults (given it was rushed out). Still admire the epic world Yu Suzuki was trying to make. Still love to play it every Christmas.
Shenmue II was a master piece. Disc’s 3 and 4 were awesome. Disc 4 is just magical.
Hope we get a Shenmue III
What are the “many faults” exactly? Every aspect of it was complete imo and didn’t feel “rushed out” at all. It was more atmospheric than 2 with most every character having his own personality and a tighter story (less wandering around aimlessly). The only thing that got an improvement in 2 is the fighting controls but it was only a MINOR improvement. 2 was more of a game than a fulfilling experience imo. Some of the atmosphere was lost due to all the generic characters that are there just to give you directions (understandable given the vast ammount of people around) and the job you could get was nowhere near as fun as the job of Shenmue 1 and other such things.
Also, an example of what I mean with “it was more of a game” is the fact you have to find “hidden arcade machines” rather than just go down the local arcade place and start playing. Yes there’s advantages in that as a game aspect but in the end you lose on atmosphere. Also you don’t have anyone to call in Shenmue 2, I loved calling people in 1, I had learnt a lot of the phone numbers by heart. You also don’t feel like you have so close friends there, sure there’s that gang you end up with but you never feel as close to them as you do with Shenmue 1’s characters.
It’s an amazing game still with some jaw dropping moments (I absolutelly loved the Temple parts for example and the QTEs through the market place) and propably equal to Shenmue 1 just in slightly different ways… (What it lacks in atmosphere and attachment to characters it makes up for in the size of the world,lots of jaw dropping moments (Disc 4 as well as you mentioned) and “game stuff”)
That’s my opinion atleast 
Just couldn’t let your opinion be the only one posted
Shenmue? Second worst game? laughs
Man, that list is way off. Shenmue is a good game, and even if it was considered “bad” to the majority, I can think of a lot games that were a whole hell of a lot worse…
[quote=“Al3xand3r”]What are the “many faults” exactly? Every aspect of it was complete imo and didn’t feel “rushed out” at all. It was more atmospheric than 2 with most every character having his own personality and a tighter story (less wandering around aimlessly). The only thing that got an improvement in 2 is the fighting controls but it was only a MINOR improvement. 2 was more of a game than a fulfilling experience imo. Some of the atmosphere was lost due to all the generic characters that are there just to give you directions (understandable given the vast ammount of people around) and the job you could get was nowhere near as fun as the job of Shenmue 1 and other such things.
Also, an example of what I mean with “it was more of a game” is the fact you have to find “hidden arcade machines” rather than just go down the local arcade place and start playing. Yes there’s advantages in that as a game aspect but in the end you lose on atmosphere. Also you don’t have anyone to call in Shenmue 2, I loved calling people in 1, I had learnt a lot of the phone numbers by heart. You also don’t feel like you have so close friends there, sure there’s that gang you end up with but you never feel as close to them as you do with Shenmue 1’s characters.
It’s an amazing game still with some jaw dropping moments (I absolutelly loved the Temple parts for example and the QTEs through the market place) and propably equal to Shenmue 1 just in slightly different ways… (What it lacks in atmosphere and attachment to characters it makes up for in the size of the world,lots of jaw dropping moments (Disc 4 as well as you mentioned) and “game stuff”)
That’s my opinion atleast Just couldn’t let your opinion be the only one posted ^_^[/quote]
The game was rushed out mate. It was rushed out to make it out before the New Year. After SEGA share price was dropping like a stone, thanks to AM#2 saying the game wouldn?t make it out till summer 2000 (even thought it was in development for 4 years)
We all know that Shenmue II was really meant to ship with part 1. As a result the 1st Shenmue game felt incomplete. Had issue with the controls, and some of the boring waiting
Of course you got to know the characters better in Shenmue that was because it was taking place in a much smaller environment that the bustling streets of Hong Kong. And there are many part in Shenmue that were better than Shenmue II.
I just think Shenmue II is the better and more complete game.
Don?t get me wrong btw I love Shenmue.It’s my 2nd fav Christmas game after Christmas NiGHTS
You still didn’t mention any real faults…
I didn’t question the game being rushed out, I questioned the game FEELING rushed out and incomplete since it DOESN’T.
Shenmue 2 had just as an abrupt ending as 1 as well, it didn’t feel complete either storywise.
Add i mentioned the reason that all characters have their own personality in 1 and not in 2 as well, the result remains the same. Loss of atmosphere.
The part about characters you feel closer to has nothin to do with the big environment though. It’s just that Shenmue 1 made you feel more attached to them, Shenmue 2 could have done the same with the ppl that do get close to Ryo but it just didn’t, not on the same level.
[quote=“Al3xand3r”]You still didn’t mention any real faults…
I didn’t question the game being rushed out, I questioned the game FEELING rushed out and incomplete since it DOESN’T.
Shenmue 2 had just as an abrupt ending as 1 as well, it didn’t feel complete either storywise.
Add i mentioned the reason that all characters have their own personality in 1 and not in 2 as well, the result remains the same. Loss of atmosphere.
The part about characters you feel closer to has nothin to do with the big environment though. It’s just that Shenmue 1 made you feel more attached to them, Shenmue 2 could have done the same with the ppl that do get close to Ryo but it just didn’t, not on the same level.[/quote]
To me the 1st game felt short. Just as soon as the game really got going the game finished.
I also felt it was incomplete beacsue we never got to meet the likes of Ren, Xiuying till part II. Even though we saw screen shots are those characters moths before Shenmue 1 even made it out (they are even in the Saturn version).
Plus Shenmue 1 was taking part in Ryo home town. Where everybody knew him so you we bount to feel a bit closer to the characters.
have to admit Shemue II ending was a cliffhanger though . Hope we 1 day find out whats happend next
you know how you pay through an RPG and there’s that one really annoying part? and you get passed it and everything, but the next time you play it, you see that part looming in the distance and you’re just like “ugh…” and you lose all will power to continue?
i didn’t feel like that in shenmue, i always wanted to go to the next area, get more moves, progress the storyline, etc.
but in shenmue 2 there were numerous parts that i couldn’t stand doing twice. just all the tedious tasks they made you do… carrying books, carrying boxes, earning enough money to see ren, but then they don’t let me see ren so i have to do it all over again… it was just so annoying… but shenmue 2 did have it’s high points.
that’s why i love 1 and like 2
You know, that was exactly what I thought at the time; I could hardly believe my eyes when the credits started rolling, just when things seemed to really be warming up. To be honest Shenmue never really grabbed me though, but than I usually do prefer games that are still very much “games” at heart (and Shenmue was much more of an interactive storytelling experience, thought of course it was a really well done one). Still, I do intend to try out Shenmue 2 at some point; I still want to know what happens next.
[quote=“Lance Way”]
You know, that was exactly what I thought at the time; I could hardly believe my eyes when the credits started rolling, just when things seemed to really be warming up. To be honest Shenmue never really grabbed me though, but than I usually do prefer games that are still very much “games” at heart (and Shenmue was much more of an interactive storytelling experience, thought of course it was a really well done one). Still, I do intend to try out Shenmue 2 at some point; I still want to know what happens next. :)[/quote]
You must get it mate. It?s a far better and more complete game (imo). Where possible the Pal version. It?s much better than the X-Box version with its sad English dubbing.
Disc 3 and 4 are nothing but incredible. The only bad part is when you have to earn a certain amount money. That part drags on for a bit
You know, we were just having an argument about it and it’s right here, in this thread, Lance propably has read it as well, or can do it at any time he wishes to. Both your opinion and mine and whoever else’s popped in are right here. You don’t need to keep repeating yours every chance you get, it doesn’t make it more valid >_<
He said he intends to get it anyway.
Yeah I’m in a bad mood today but this is hardly an unreasonable thing to say… Just something I’d otherwise have ignored…
Eh? Well that’s just bizarre. Shenmue got a lot of rave reviews back in its time. I personally wouldn’t call Shenmue a masterpiece, but I also wouldn’t call it a bad or even average game. Ryo steered like a dump truck, and the fact that everything happened in real time virtually nullified the “cinematic experience” that it seemed to want to give its players. And there was no way the free fighting could come of as looking like what you would see in Hollywood. Instead it looked more like a modification of the Virtua Fighter engine. But it was the fact that you literally could do almost anything in this world that made it so appealing. Go shopping. Play video games. Collect stuff. Manipulate the world at eye level(this annoyed me). And then of course fight people. I prefer to call it the greatest integration of mini games and reaction games into a standard brawler combined with real world and rpg elements, soap opera dialogue, and chop socky influence. Clunky if taken apart. Effective if played as a whole.
To me, what makes a bad game are terrible graphics, lack of fun factor, repetitiveness(unless nonstop killing is part of the charm), bugs coming out the wazoo, terrible controls or execution, bad cameras, etc. Games like Enter the Matrix or Superman 64 or Majestic have any combination of these in spades. Want to know what I think the worst game is? E.T.
By the way. Are there any online versions of these articles where I can read them saying that Panzer Dragoon Saga is the 9th best RPG or that Shenmue is the 2nd worst game?
[quote=“Al3xand3r”]
You know, we were just having an argument about it and it’s right here, in this thread, Lance propably has read it as well, or can do it at any time he wishes to. Both your opinion and mine and whoever else’s popped in are right here. You don’t need to keep repeating yours every chance you get, it doesn’t make it more valid >_<
He said he intends to get it anyway.
Yeah I’m in a bad mood today but this is hardly an unreasonable thing to say… Just something I’d otherwise have ignored…[/quote]
Go out and have a drink or somthing mate.
I was tell the guy that the 2nd game was better. After all like me he felt the 1st game was over all to soon.
There is more hr’s of gamplay in Shenmue II , and takes longer to finish. And that’s a fact.
LOL, allrighty then, say it a few more times man, I don’t think you’ve said it enough, I wanna hear it again, what’s better in Shenmue 2, go on you know you wanna say it 
Duh… >_>
[quote=“Al3xand3r”]LOL, allrighty then, say it a few more times man, I don’t think you’ve said it enough, I wanna hear it again, what’s better in Shenmue 2, go on you know you wanna say it
Duh… >_>[/quote]
Well the graphics for a start :).
Go on have a nice drink mate. I’ll join you in bit. As I’m out on the pop after.
Please go on, I wanna hear more Please please please, who cares if you’ve said it before I can’t resist hearing it again! I mean, it’s not like I’ll wanna re-read those earlier posts even tho they are right THERE ^^^, so, please, go on, tell me more about Shenmue 2
Its made by SEGA and Yu "GOD " Suzuki. it pushes the DC tto it’s limits. It’s longer than part 1. Oh and it’s game better too.
Must go I’m out on the pop ;).
By all accounts Shenmue 2 is longer and more action-packed and benefits from improved graphics. I’m still trying to hunt down a copy for the Dreamcast, but if Shadow says that it corrects all the problems of the first game then I believe him.
Shenmue just more needed action – more fight sequences in particular. The pace of the story was also too slow for my liking.
I’m actually tempted to just buy the Xbox version of Shenmue 2 since it’s cheaper.
I don’t see those corrections in the graphics actually, there’s a lot of more impressive places but the frame rate still drops (And imo much more often than in shenmue 1) and ppl still appear a few feet in front of you a lot of the time… I just don’t see what problems are fixed…
I didn’t find shenmue 1 slow at all…
2 has more action but also has more tedious tasks. Travelling from one side of the game world to the other for example, the jobs you have to do (booooring instead of fun like the forklifts), the characters while being more dynamic are not explored to the same level as in 1 at all… you can’t call your friends from shenmue 1 (why the hell not… I’m sure Ryo misses them), you can’t call anyone actually… It has no stealthy parts (it wasn’t the best thing ever but it did add loads of atmosphere in shenmue 1) and in the end it just has “fillers” to stall you in order to last longer, the real meat/fun of the game/storyline is less than shenmue 1 >_>
No arcade place either, who the hell would pick up the machines and hide them in order for you to have to search for them in the stupidest of places… The game got so tedious at times I wished there was a normal arcade place to go and have some fun since ALL the other activities the game offers for when you get tired of looking for the next clue are not fun at all… The street fights are OK but only for a couple times and most of them have silly requirements rather than real fighting. After you get the hang of it it’s real easy to win them too…
[quote=“Team Andromeda”]
Its made by SEGA and Yu "GOD " Suzuki. it pushes the DC tto it’s limits. It’s longer than part 1.[/quote]
You do know that Shenmue 1 is made by the same people? lol >_>