We don’t know for sure that they kidnapped the Heresy program though.
We don’t know for sure that they kidnapped the Heresy program though.
[quote=“Geoffrey Duke”]The ancient rebels could only have posed a significant threat if the ancients feared them enough to guard their ruins. The extent of their power is unknown, yet they managed to kidnap Azel and activate the Heresy program.
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Certain enemies in PD Orta were specifically designed to counter other biological units. That’s why I believe that both sides used bio-engineered creatures. The fact that they were able to alter Azel also indicates that their level of technology was as advanced as their enemies. The rebels were probably Ancients themselves or atleast their origins were the same.
I’m not sure about the Heresy Dragon being “kidnapped” or not. I wonder if it was created with the “Impurity” already in it or if it was altered later by the Impurity.
I said they managed to activate the Heresy program, not kidnap it. The “impurity” was probably the virus they created to affect its activation.
I want to find some evidence of the ancient rebels. Do all the anti-gravity engines belong to the ancients as well as the biological weapons we’ve fought?
The Towers were the ruins that manufactured the bio-weapons in question, ruins built by the ancients. The rebels would need something similar if they were to engineer their own bio-weapons. I’m not sure they did.
Episode 3 in PDO was clearly a city of the Ancients. The markings on the bridge definitely look like Ancient signs to me. The entire city was destroyed however, with only bio-monsters remaining. Some of those monsters were designed for defence only, which makes me wonder if the inhabitants could have been the rebels the Ancients feared. The Churmachum, the creature with tentacles that you encounter just before the battle with the Catharp, will only counter-attack. If you don’t attack it will just float next to you. Strange behaviour for a bio-monster. Normally they attack any humans that come near. Could this be an example of rebel bio-monsters?
And about those anti-gravity engines: I thought that they were also bio-monsters, just that much altered in appearance that they seem like machines.
Well when I thought of the destuction the Tower cause I always imagined a giant laser beam…
I think I suggested this to Abadd once, and he said, basically, ‘no’. The impurity is something else, and I think he mentioned the Heresy itself being a virus. It was a long time ago though.
I’d assume the floating engines were pretty much universally used throughout the ancient age.
Yeah, me too, but thinking about it, that wouldn’t be the most effective way to destroy 3 continents in one night.
[quote=“GehnTheBerserker”]He’s not speaking of The Towers, but of the Tower they were looking for : Craymen’s Tower - The Tower of Uru - Ul’s Lake Tower.
This must mean that the non-moving Towers (some of them anywayz) have destructive power of their own…[/quote]
I have forgotten that… good point. By the sounds of it, the Tower sent forth monsters to annihilate the humans of the continents. If the Tower could attack on it’s own, wouldn’t it have attacked the Seekers or the Empire when Azel awakened it?
A very valid point. The Ancient rebels could well have obtained power to control biological creatures themselves… either technology they invented or stole from the Tower creators. Dragons are an impressively deadly bioweapon; there would need to be a reason for making them so powerful.
Controlling the weather is an incredibly powerful weapon by itself. If the Tower was capable of increasing the temperature then he could have simply boiled the continents. Lighting storms would be capable of burning the continents too.
Why?The Seekers and the Empire are not the Tower’s enemies at least from “it’s eyes”.Of course if you said attack all the humans on earth you might (might) have a point…
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Why?The Seekers and the Empire are not the Tower’s enemies at least from “it’s eyes”.Of course if you said attack all the humans on earth you might (might) have a point…[/quote]
The Seekers and the Empire both wanted to abuse the Tower’s power. Abuse it in Sestren’s eyes that is. The Tower sent hordes of pure types to destroy the Empire… it seems these were the weapons that the Tower used to destroy much of humanity in the Ancient Age.
Sestren took out the town near Uru. I wonder what the extent of the Tower’s effect over the environment was. But more importantly how long it would have taken to destroy three continents. Perhaps Sestren could destroy vast amounts of land quickly but he chose not to after the Ancient Age to lead humanity to believe that the Towers did not control their lives. But if so, why would Sestren not want humanity to know of its existance… could it consider humans a threat?
a night, apparently
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a night, apparently[/quote]
The legends talk of the continents being burned in one night. I wonder if that is just symbolism or if they were literally burned? I like the idea D-Unit suggested: Sestren altered the environment drastically, wiping out the neccessary elements for the Ancients to survive in. We’ve read what an alteration of the functions of the Towers can do to the world - the Great Fall wiped out over half the population. How much altering of the environment Sestren could do on it’s own remains a mystery, as is how much of the environment the Ancients intended it to meddle with.
So Sestren would try to destroy it’s enemies you say?
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So Sestren would try to destroy it’s enemies you say?[/quote]
Humanity was getting out of control (the Empire), so it would be Sestren’s Ancient duty to reduce them. Sestren did so by sending pure types to kill all aboard the Grig Orig.
Hmmm…
Villages weren’t attacked!
The infested Grig Orig headed towards the Seeker’s Stronghold after that though.
Only cause it was BERSERK!
I’ve only read about half of the topic before I got this theory in my head, and I figured that I’d better write it down before I forget it. Sorry if the conversation has moved on since then.
I agree that there were probably at least two factions in the ancient age - the ones who created the towers, and the ones who were against them. Perhaps a war errupted between these factions, and in the end, the Towers creators won the war, but with a great loss to the general human/ancient population, and a massive scale of destruction on the planet that made it mostly uninhabbitable for the humans/ancients. Therefore they decided that they would go into hibernation for 10,000 years until the Towers had terraformed the planet into a liveable environment because it was the only way they could ensure the survival of their race.
Perhaps the pure-type creatures were created as a means to cleans the planet of the remaining human civilisation, who were left over from the war and of the anti-tower faction. They could have been a fail safe measure incase they somehow managed to survive the terraforming process of the Towers. Much like the Heresy Dragon was a failsafe in case the Towers didn’t terraform the planet within 10,000 years.
But some humans did manage to survive the terraforming process, and they are what currently makes up the human population of the world. Well their offspring several thousand years into the future of course.
Yes I agree.Like I already said there has to be somekind of conflict here.
Cataclysms don’t just happen…