Okay, I was just curious. How many Memory Cells are in PDO? I mean, I’m so obsessive with me games that I have do everything with it before I put it down, and after a two-month refusal to play Orta, I did. I found ten memory cells in Sestren on Chapter 7.
Ten? Is that all of them? Please tell me so I can STOP PLAYING THIS GAME and be content.
There are twenty.
Hmm, I believe so. To be honest, I’ve only ever worked out how to reach eight of them, though I’ve known for a while that there are at least nine. If you’re interested, here’s the ones I know of (pasted from an old topic):
[quote]Memory Block guarded by the first sub-boss:
Residual Data Sector - Dialogue from the Empire in PDO
“The legendary Dragon of Destruction? perhaps the dragonmares led it here?”
“Capture the girl and the dragonmares within the Cradle will be completed!”
“She’s only a Drone! Show no mercy!”
Memory Cell Level 1 - Dialogue from Abadd in PDO
?It is too late for my ancient masters. Resusscitation is 100% impossible.?
?Primary objective aborted. I must fulfill my mission? I must find a way??
Memory Cell Level 2 - Dialogue from the Dragonmare Squadron in PDO
“It’s the dragon that destroyed the last Empire!”
“Whatever it is, its legacy ends here.”
Memory Cell Level 5 - Dialogue from Mobo in PDO
“They’re all ancient war beasts created by the Elders, long ago.”
“The Baldor I’m riding was also a war beast thousands of years ago.”
Memory Block guarded by the second sub-boss:
**Residual Data Sector - Dialogue from PD1 **
“All ground units mobilized. Security measures initiated.”
“Don’t? let him reach the Tower? My dragon? knows the way?”
Memory Cell Level 3 - Dialogue regarding the young Orta
?She is the seed of our future??
?We must protect it at all costs.?
Memory Cell Level 5 - Dialogue from Gash in PDS
“We’re not really alive? We’re just being forced to live.”
“The Ancients’ spirits are making sure of that.”
Memory Cell Level 5 - Dialogue from the Heresy Program
(( Your mission is completed. Yet, you still wish to remain? ))
(( Your body is fragile and mortal now. ))
(( Your life will more than likely end out there if you continue. ))
(( Alright, I understand. ))
(( Farewell, my other half? ))
(( I must rest? ))
(( Watch over our friends for me? ))[/quote]
I know that one of the remaining cells contains dialogue from PD Zwei, as well.
I’d be interested to know what’s in the other Cell (or Cells) that aren’t listed there, if anyone can remember…
But how can we get different memories?I can get on play normally (good 
) and one ot playing at all just dodging from time to time.
… what the hell? I meant ten, not twenty… and I also meant to put “are” in italics o.O
[quote=“Lance”]I know that one of the remaining cells contains dialogue from PD Zwei, as well.
I’d be interested to know what’s in the other Cell (or Cells) that aren’t listed there, if anyone can remember…[/quote]
Memory Cell 4 - Sestren and Lundi
“Purging of bug initiated.”
“He will…always be with me.”
I’ve spent a lot of time figuring out what you had to do to reach this cell. In fact, you have to take route B in the first Memory Block by not destroying the Diopodure and not shooting the enemies during the second analysis. In the second Memory Block, don’t destroy the Diopodure, but be sure to kill enough of the enemies when the system tries to analyze you again. Then you should have a succesful analysis, and have access to Memory Level 4.
For the others:
Memory cell level 1 in memory block 1: destroy Diopodure, but take your time.
Memory cell level 2 in memory block 1: don’t destroy Diopodure but
second analysis must be successful (shoot as much enemies as possible like in the mini-game).
Memory cell level 3 in memory block 2: destroy Diopodure, but take your time.
Deep Memory Cell 5 in memory cell 1: destroy Diopodure as fast as possible.
Deep Memory Cell 5 in memory cell 2: destroy Diopodure as fast as possible.
Deep Memory Cell 5 in memory cell 2: second analysis successful.
Residual Data sector in memory cell 1: don’t shoot Diopodure and don’t shoot enough enemies during second analysis.
Residual Data sector in memory cell 2: don’t shoot Diopodure and don’t shoot enough enemies during second analysis.
[quote=“D-Unit”]Memory Cell 4 - Sestren and Lundi
“Purging of bug initiated.”
“He will…always be with me.”[/quote]
It actually says “Purging of bug initiated”?
That would support my idea that the Heresy “Program” might have been a corruption arising in Sestren, and not an intended program as is generally believed…
[quote=“Lance”]
“Purging of bug initiated.”
"He will…always be with me."
It actually says “Purging of bug initiated”?
That would support my idea that the Heresy “Program” might have been a corruption arising in Sestren, and not an intended program as is generally believed…[/quote]
Or the Heresy program was a part of the system and was hijacked by a “bug”. You can look at this in a number of different ways.
[quote=“Lance”]It actually says “Purging of bug initiated”?
That would support my idea that the Heresy “Program” might have been a corruption arising in Sestren, and not an intended program as is generally believed…[/quote]
What I’d like to know is what caused that corruption. I think this could have been caused by the Impurity. I could be wrong, but I still think the Heresy program isn’t the same thing as the Impurity.
True, it could mean that: or it could have just been calling the virus / program a “bug”. But where did the idea that the Heresy Program was a program come from, by the way?
My original impression (i.e. before arriving at TWOTA) had always been that the Heresy Program was one facet of the Sestren AI that disagreed with the rest of it. Well, I imagined that most of the AI interpreted its duties one way (“keep the Towers active and save the world”), and this other part interpreted them differently (“destroy the Towers and free the world”). Hence explaining why the Heresy Program and the Sestren AI looked like mirror opposites when in the system (Black Dragon / Gold Dragon), and explaining why the Heresy Program was able to take over the system when the Sestren AI died. It’s also never suggested in the games that the Heresy Program was an intended program, which is worth keeping in mind.
But then, very little about the Heresy Program is ever revealed anyway, so it’s tricky to come to conclusions about these things. Maybe we’ll never know for sure…
EDIT: The middle of this post made no sense, so I’ve just re-written it a bit. Whoops.
[quote=“D-Unit”]
initiated"?
That would support my idea that the Heresy “Program” might have been a corruption arising in Sestren, and not an intended program as is generally believed…
What I’d like to know is what caused that corruption. I think this could have been caused by the Impurity. I could be wrong, but I still think the Heresy program isn’t the same thing as the Impurity.[/quote]
If you think about it, Sestren did in fact successfully purge the impurity from its system. If we do assume the Heresy program was an ancient construct (perhaps because there’s no way the ancient rebels could’ve built the Heresy dragon), then the notion of something taking control of it makes perfect sense.
Maybe you are underestimating the rebels.
I suppose we just drew that conclusion from the nature of its origins and from the purpose it served. The apt description would be AI incarnate, if anything, but we always assumed it was the equal and opposite of Sestren Exsis, which we know controlled a vast electronic/ethereal network of ruins.
First they would need access to Sestren, which means having free access of a Tower. Of course, we’d also have to assume the ancients wielded technology that rivaled that of the ancients themselves.
If they could destroy the Towers from the inside out during the Ancient Age via the Heresy dragon, don’t you think they would have done it already? I think Sestren was programmed to create the Heresy Dragon after a certain amount of time, but something stopped Sestren Exsis from shutting it down – something Sestren identified as an Impurity.
[quote=“Geoffrey Duke”]
First they would need access to Sestren, which means having free access of a Tower. Of course, we’d also have to assume the ancients wielded technology that rivaled that of the ancients themselves.
If they could destroy the Towers from the inside out during the Ancient Age via the Heresy dragon, don’t you think they would have done it already? I think Sestren was programmed to create the Heresy Dragon after a certain amount of time, but something stopped Sestren Exsis from shutting it down – something Sestren identified as an Impurity.[/quote]
One of my theories about this is that the Impurity actually told Sestren to activate the Heresy Dragon. I see Sestren as a tool, linked to a collective consciousness that controlled it. This consciousness, the Will of the Ancients, was formed by the Ancients themselves who resided in Sestren. But what if somehow there was an Impurity in that consciousness that commanded Sestren to do something that he was not meant to do? Maybe a rebel that managed to upload his consciousness into Sestren together with The Ancients. The Impurity escaped into the world together with “his” Heresy Dragon, and re-emerged in PD 1 as the Sky Rider (his consciousness anyway).
Geoff : What if the rebels had an expertised insider?An Ancient I mean.
It’s not that hard.Even if that wasn’t the case they you can still conceive it as the hacking of nowadays.You don’t need to have a degree to be able to hack into very important security systems.You need to have the know-how tho.
The know-how can be gained by many different ways tho.
That’s what I’ve often thought, but I don’t get the impression that the Heresy Program was an intended occurence. Consider what the Sestren AI said to the dragon / Heresy Program just before the final battle in PD Saga:
I see you have returned…
With a human…
Our purpose is to fulfill the will of the ancients.
But…
You have chosen a different path…
You ignore your duty…
You disobey the ancient ones…
Note the importance of “Our purpose is to fulfill the will of the ancients” - this seems to imply that the Sestren AI and the Heresy Program were on some vaguely equal level, and that they were both meant to be serving the Ancients (by maintaining the Tower network etc).
Really, it’s the lines “You have chosen a different path” and “You ignore your duty” that make me think that the Heresy Program was really a companion to or a part of the Sestren AI, which was acting on its own. Sestren said that the Heresy Program chose to do what it did: it didn’t implicate any outside force, it merely stated that the Heresy Program decided to not fulfill the will of the Ancients (the maintaining of the Towers etc). Presumably - I always thought - it rebelled of its own wish.
When we later hear the Heresy Program talk in the PDS ending and in Episode 7 of PDO, it does seem to be an artificial *intelligence *- that is, something capable of making decisions for itself. Perhaps it was never created to do what it did, either by the Ancients or the ancient rebels.
Wouldn’t it make sense if the Heresy Program was just a part of Sestren that changed its mind in an unforseen way, a part of the system that didn’t want to conform because it didn’t see the logic in it? An AI that re-evaluated its purpose and decided to fight against the Ancients’ plan, because it knew that the Towers would never heal the world, and saw that they had become a menace?
I would think that Sestren would be programmed to think that there was only one “Will of the Ancients,” and would be unable to comprehend the Heresy Program’s rejection of that will, even if the Heresy was simply programmed by a different faction of Ancients. Sestren would think that Heresy simply chose to violate what Sestren thought of as the will of the Ancients, because it couldn’t comprehend that the Ancients would want anything other than what he, Sestren, had been told to do. There’s no way Sestren could know the true motivation of Heresy, because they are seperate conciousnesses.
That’s kind of the idea I’m hypothetically going to go for in that fanfic I’m never going to finish.
Hmm… well when the Heresy Program originally “rebelled”, they were both linked up to the Sestren system - and therefore to each other - on some level. Maybe Sestren did know just what the Heresy Program was thinking? It seemed to know exactly what the Heresy Program was going to do, anyway, because it immediately ejected it from the system and then repeatedly tried to stop it from demolishing the Towers.
Sadly, we honestly know very little about the entity we call the Heresy Program. It looks as if things will stay that way, too, even if / when another Panzer Dragoon game / RPG gets released…
I can see where this is going.
It would explain why the Dark Dragon was so eager to kill the Sky Rider. I’m more inclined to believe that the impurity was something that took control of the Heresy dragon or activated it and prevented Sestren from shutting it down. Shelcoof was sent to elimate the impurity after it manifested itself in Elpis. This in my mind, can only mean it was either the Heresy dragon itself or something controlling it. An impurity could simply be something that Sestren can no longer control, or a foreign intruder. Your guess is as good as mine.