I’d rather you just linked me to where things were said and mainly which developers as you said were the ones that thought only M$ and $ony will be worth it as far as next gen goes.
Still, how can any analyst know how things will evolve within the market when he doesn’t know all of what will be available. Don’t you think a more proper analysis could be made once all three developers have shown all their cards? We still have like a year (some like to speculate Sony will show the PS2 this spring which imo is highly doubtful seeing as the hardware wasn’t even finalised @ last E3) before any releases so how can someone be so certain about how things will evolve when a) it’s quite far away and b) (again) doesn’t know all of what will be available…
Those games you posted their covers haven’t hurt the GC for sure, and like you said other platforms have similar without the Mario characters (won’t argue quality here since I don’t know much about any of them) which to me simply shows how Nintendo can manage with less third party support by getting their own versions of these games. The known characters don’t hurt the games at all anyways, they just enhance them if anything.
Hell, I bet every company wishes they could make any of their characters so popular as to be able to make so many games and have them keep selling… I wish Sega could have done that with Sonic but noo, they keep making worse and worse games… And Nintendo is bad because they use him to do actually good games?
Still, I don’t think GameCube owners have been denied any particular genre, there’s something for everyone there…
But I guess you will have a lot to disagree with about that since you seem to have grown a rather big dislike about Nintendo (and their IPs) so you probably won’t accept the greatness of titles like Metroid (x2), Zelda (x2 + that multiplayer spin off), Fire Emblem, Resident Evil (the remake - still exclusive afaik), several of the Wario, Luigi or Mario spin offs (mansion, paper, kart, smash bros, whatever), Batten Kaitos, Starfox (the new action game, not Rare’s adventure attempt), F-Zero GX, Animal Crossing, Pikmin, Tales of Symphonia etc…
And it’s still getting many of the high caliber multiplatform titles such as Need for Speed and the upcoming King Kong game… And I think even the likes of Splinter Cell have been converted?
So, exactly what kind of game do you think the GameCube is lacking and the other consoles have some amazing masterpiece of and Nintendo has miserably failed to deliver to their fans? And if they are lacking in something, is the console that offering that not lacking in anything else at all? Or is this simply a problem for Nintendo using their old IPs so much? Would it really make any difference if that tennis or whatever game had other cutesy characters instead of Mario and friends?
How can you even compare something like that to the X-Box anyway, that one CAN’T have old IPs so obviously most things on it will appear as having a new coat of paint, wether the gameplay is old or not.
Maybe Nintendo haven’t offered many new things but the Gamecube still has many AAA titles that can rival anything seen on other consoles.
Does it matter that it’s Zelda instead of a newly created action RPG brand when it rivals most anything similar (is there anything similar? maybe Ico could fit here…) that is available on other systems?
Does it matter that it’s Metroid Prime(s) and not a new FPS/Adventure brand when it was a) the first time Metroid went 3D and b) not quite like anything else offered out there (no it’s not just another FPS)…
Does it matter that it’s Paper Mario and not Paper-NewGuy when it’s, again, an experience quite unlike any other (excluding the N64 game of course) console RPG?
Hell, what am I doing, why do I have to argue about the GameCube when our discussion was about next gen and how you were flat out bashing Nintendo saying they WILL (not may) fail and they WILL (not may) do the opposite of what they say they will do and, lastly, that they don’t even know what they want to do with the controller? Seriously, why so much negative speculation? Ok you can base some of it on past mistakes but, come on, they don’t know what the controller will be like yet??? Where do you come off with something like that and what’s even the point of mentioning it other than to attempt a speculative bashing?
Sony is the one that displays unfinished hardware and presents pre-rendered videos as being in-game real-time stuff, so why bash Nintendo even for something along those lines?
Why do you want to base everything Nintendo says they plan to do on their past mistakes and ignore anything they do right?
If that’s the way you think how can you even be among Sega fans, if you dislike Nintendo so much I’d think you wouldn’t touch anything Sega related at all after all their hardware - and software, poor Sonic and poor Shining Force and in some cases poor Phantasy Star and others - failures lol… If you just want to judge a company by past failures and ignore anything they do right then I don’t know how Sega can be considered anything but a long dead rotting corpse of a horse that someone with that way of thinking would want to be as far away from as possible to avoid the stench…
To me, Sega and Nintendo are very much alike anyway and though I don’t “love” Nintendo like I do Sega, I do have high respect for and value them quite highly since they also create many of my favorite games.
While for me, Microsoft simply brought the pc-game style market to all the newbies that had only ever played console games and found it being such a revelation when in reality it wasn’t anything that awesome… Halo was what originally saved M$ and it’s by far a very very overrated game, there has been far better than that in the past for both single and multi-player… It’s just all the console players hadn’t seen it.
I also hink that people who say “PC’s don’t count” are just people who aren’t much into PC gaming… how can they not count, just because they are a media that a) is costly and b) isn’t just meant for games? So what, the fact remains millions of people have access to them and so buy games for them and so they can’t be excluded from the games industry.
It was a different era when the battle between the Saturn and the PSOne was raging. PCs were even underpowered for a time compared to consoles. The FFVII port was just plain, well, shit. It was also a portion of the market that couldn’t care less for games of that type. But that gap has been closing all the time, especially in this generation.
It also goes to show that initial exclusives count even if they later get on to be multi platform. It counts a LOT that the GC got Resi 4 first. Just like it counts a LOT that Sony always gets Grand Theft Auto first. It boosts sales, it pleases their fans, it’s good for the company. Some people (like me) don’t care too much if they know they can get the game on their system later on but for the mainstream these things matter a lot. Resi 4 going multi platform is nothing to bash Nintendo for because it happens everywhere all the time, it’s a widely used strategy to get games exclusive either for good, or for a certain period.
Hell, some people have expressed worries that the PC game devs see all the money there are in the consoles and so sometimes neglect PCs now, and you try to tell me that it’s a different market when the same developers swing back and forth between pc/consoles or do both at the same time?
Anyway, I’m done with this discussion, there’s nothing more to say, you keep bashing Ninty with some valid points - though they don’t explain all the nagativity - but also some outrageous speculation. I don’t think you even understood some of the things I said judging from your responses and you keep repeating some things for no reason. Either way, I have nothing to add, I’ve said what I think about the subject and now I’ll just wait and see what happens.