Old Diary Translation

Just the very fact it says he cast away his body is baffling. If the bodies were simply expendable carriers for the heresy program then what exactly are these two halves we know about? If the heresy program is the single driving force which uses and discarts the original coolia body, then what is the driving force behind Lagi for example in Orta assuming that it is indeed a new body? What halves separated there as to have the heresy program remain in sestren space while another half fled to the real world?

Unless the heresy program developed a liking for its original coolia host and transferred its soul to all the new bodies. But to me that sounds like a silly excuse that has no reason to happen. What about the original souls of the next bodies?

Again, baffling. I much prefer thinking they are always the same dragon in body and soul but in light of this new evidence, well, what can I say? Plot hole or silly excuse, you decide which :anjou_disappointment:

Edit: Just read more replies and saw these things have been more or less mentioned before. Oh well, these are my thoughts anyway.

If you take into consideration that the Heresy bids Lagiā€™s spirit farewell at the end of Saga I think itā€™s safe to assume the dragon in Saga was indeed ā€œhomeā€ to both entities.So in the end I believe at least both the Saga and Zwei dragons are Lagi.Besides thereā€™s the whole rescue/elevator scene in Saga where the dragon shows Edge that familiar vision.

I canā€™t really comment on the PD1 one and I wish an hypothetical new PD game would cover this.We arenā€™t given enough information, itā€™s too vague.I have this theory tho that the Heresy was inside the Sky Rider and that the dragon only contained Lagiā€™s soulā€¦I should probably write the full article as a theory for the site but I know Iā€™m kind of lazy and besides I have a lot of work on my hands as of lateā€¦

PDZwei : Lagi + Heresy
PDSaga before coolia merger : Lagi + Heresy
PDSaga after coolia merger : Lagi + Heresy (itā€™s really just a physical upgrade that conveys PDZā€™s dragon characteristics/powers)
PDOrta : Lagi

Not quiteā€¦ I believe that the Heresy program was already a ā€œrebelā€ program against the Will of the Ancients before it left Sestren. In Sestrenā€™s memory orbs at the end of PDS, we see the black heresy program being cast out of Sestren by a gold program (most likely Sestren). The possibility that Iā€™m suggesting is that the Heresy program ā€œprintedā€ itself on to Lagi(the coolia)'s soul when it possessed him, and when this happened the coolia gained intelligence and therefore a mind of it?s own which chose to help the Heresy program in it?s quest to free the world from Sestren.

To be compatible with the new knowledge from your translation of the Old Diary, there would now simply be one soul, but made up of two parts. When Lagiā€™s body was ā€œrebornā€ in Panzer Dragoon 1, it would be somehow reborn with the soul of Lagi, kind of like a phoenix being born again from the fire. If this rebirth theory is correct it wouldnā€™t mean that the Heresy program wouldn?t be possessing multiple coolias born in different villages or the wildā€¦ it could mean that the new bodies were born in other ways, such as coming from the dragon crests or other ancient ruins, specially prepared bodies left to grow by Lagi before he let his old body die.

Of course, this is just a theory and it is lacking evidence to back it up, but it?s one that would make a bit more sense than new coolias being born before every game IMO.

I just reread the translation now, and I was thinking that it could be that Lagiā€™s body didnā€™t actually die at the end of PDZ. Kimimiā€™s translation says that he ā€œhe cast away his flesh and entered a deep sleepā€ and ā€œNow, once again his body has been reborn and awakenedā€.

What if Lagi didnā€™t actually die, but simply went into some form of hibernation while his body healed or he generated a new body to replace his existing damaged body? The use of the words ā€œsleepā€ and ā€œawakenedā€ suggests that he was far from dead, but disabling Shelcoof caused him to lose so much power that he simply could not carry on. We all have seen proof that the dragon can morph and replace his body even in the heat of battle, so I see no reason why he couldnā€™t have done it here. Is morphing not also ā€œcasting awayā€ flesh and replacing it with new body parts?

I think the main thing to try and work out from this passage is what the ā€œsoulā€ that Lundi talks about actually is. Is it the Heresy program? Is it Lagi? Or is it both? My pick would be with the last optionā€¦

To be honest Iā€™ve never seen a literal suggestion of death even in the game translations. For example in the Dragon Books it just says he was stone cold I think? Normal pure-type monsters evidently appear lifeless until activated, thereā€™s no reason to think a dragonā€™s ā€˜hibernationā€™ would be any different.

Regardless of whatā€™s happened to the body itself, itā€™s the template, the current level of maturity or evolution thatā€™s more important to me. I still see the continuity of form between Zweiā€™s conclusion and Panzer Dragoon as significant.

Very true. Thereā€™s significance in the fact that Panzer Dragoon Zwei was created as a prequel after the first game came outā€¦ the fact that the final Zwei form is the same as the form in Eins suggests that the developers wanted to show a certain level on continuality in the gameā€™s storyline. The only problem with this way of thinking is, how to you explain the change to the Basic Wing at the beginning of Panzer Dragoon Saga?

EDIT: For this, there is a theory that the Towerā€™s total destruction in PD1 as opposed to Shelcoofā€™s partial destruction caused the dragon to revert to a lesser form, but why exactly this de-evolution process would happen is a bit mysteriousā€¦

I truly havenā€™t arrived at any personal conclusions on the ā€œdifferent dragonsā€ issue, but for that very reason Solo if I were to call it as such Iā€™d say PD1 is the same body and PD3 isnā€™t. If tasked to justify why, that scenario I think actually worksā€¦

As everyone accepts it takes a lot out of Lagi to ā€˜destroyā€™ a Tower, but as has been often overlooked Shellcoof wasnā€™t actually destroyed, not the same (apparent) eradication as PD1ā€™s Tower. If we were to expect reasoning for that Iā€™d say perhaps Lagi had not grown quite strong enough, or maybe just didnā€™t have enough down-time to ā€˜charge upā€™ the energy needed for the task. But hereā€™s another idea, maybe he wanted Shellcoof to remain partially active?

Either way, as the sparse portrayals we have suggest, PD1ā€™s Tower was truly demolished and not just ā€˜brokenā€™ as Shellcoof was. It seems a plausible idea that it was something like a suicide mission as far as Lagiā€™s physical cohesion is concerned. Sure we could also expect teleportation or shielding to save Lagi, but we canā€™t absolutely expect him to be capable of disintegrating a Tower AND saving himself at the same time can we?

I have been entertaining a few varying scenarios relating to that lately, but in all I choose to believe the obvious answer in regards to Blueā€™s manifestation at Zweiā€™s end. As for the change in the dragonā€™s apparent template for Saga, thatā€™s also a reason I choose not to regard ā€˜Solo Wingā€™ as a story element. The style of all the Saga forms have a coherence, as though they are building towards a new pinnacle, that being ā€˜Light Wingā€™ of course.

The way I take that sentence is that Lagi is perfectly capable of separating his body from his soul, almost like his spirit is the puppet master behind the strings. Considering the awesome power of the dragons I donā€™t see any reason why he couldnā€™t leave his host body, rejuvenate spiritually, and then summon the strength to create/possess another body.
Just to re-emphasise, although Iā€™ve never claimed these write ups to be perfect, I see absolutely no other translation for that sentence.

I completely agree on that Kimimi, I donā€™t see any reason the Heresy/Lagi entity couldnā€™t either. There is a separate question here, do we have any reason to think it needed to find or create a completely new body in the instance between Zwei and PD1?

Switching tracks here, a part of your latest installment just spoke to me in a different way:

"It has puzzled me why he was born as a heresy, that is not certain. He and I grew up together, that couldn?t have merely been an accident."

There has been a lot of speculation about why (or indeed if) the Heresy Program went rogue, and Iā€™m reminded of references to Abadd (forum member) saying the dragon was always meant to be released. Whether it was activated too soon (I have issues with that idea) or some other conflict of reality with Sestren, even if itā€™s original purpose was related to destroying the Towers perhaps itā€™s motivation for the mission, and thus itā€™s actual threat to Sestren, changed even after it became ā€˜Lagiā€™ because of the relationship with Lundi?

Iā€™m sure this isnā€™t strictly a new idea, but that line struck me with a specific complexity Iā€™ve not really considered before.

*To the New Rider

1/2

Perhaps our friend is about to lead you to the Tower.
His purpose is the extinction of all the Towers, we do not know what we would gain from that. Whatever the reason, the rider has time to think about it.

2/2

Whatever strength we can lend to our friend, we must help him carry out his goal.
That is, to free the world from the Will of the Ancient Age, you must raise yourself higher and drive off the shadow of death.
*

Done! :anjou_love:

Next up, part of the end sequence to Saga that LAnce very kindly supplied me with, and finishing off that monster list.

Thanks for the full translation, Kimimi. :slight_smile: Some interesting discussion in this thread too, so hereā€™s my current angle on this issue of the dragon ā€œcasting away its fleshā€:

For the record, Iā€™m more or less totally convinced that at the time Team Andromeda made Zwei, they meant for us to think of the dragon in that game as the dragon from PD1 ā€œgrowing upā€. As people have pointed out in the past, thereā€™s no clear reason why Zwei would be a prequel otherwise: without this bit of continuity (showing us the dragonā€™s childhood), the rest of Zweiā€™s storyline could simply have been a sequel and taken place after PD1.

So the big question is, why are Team Andromeda choosing to override that obvious implication in Saga - why are they saying that the Solo Wing dragon we see at the end of Zwei and the Solo Wing dragon we see in PD1 arenā€™t a direct storyline link after all, because as weā€™re told now, that original body was destroyed? Right now, I suspect this decision might not be nearly as strange as it seems at first. Iā€™ll try and explain:

If you think back to the dragonā€™s evolution as shown in PD1 and Zwei, Team Andromeda were almost painting themselves into a corner as far as dragon growth was concerned. Zwei had already shown the dragon growing up, and because the Solo Wing / Blue Dragon form was the final form in Zwei and because the dragon never evolved beyond that form in PD1, it of course looks like thatā€™s the dragonā€™s ā€œultimate formā€. The problem is that in Saga, Team Andromeda clearly wanted to show a dragon growing up again - the evolution idea must have been too successful to drop - and they wanted the dragon to have new, different forms to keep things interesting. But, for the sake of connecting to the previous storylines, they didnā€™t want it to be a completely new dragon. So how can that problem be solved?

As far as I can see, it can be solved with exactly the kind of plot twist we find in the Old Diary: by bringing in the idea that the dragon is a sort of technological phoenix, which can shed one dead body and re-emerge with a new one, the team create all the storyline explanation they really need for having the dragon ā€œgrow upā€ through different evolutionary forms again in PDS. With this new knowledge, the player can view Panzer Dragoon Saga as just another growth cycle; it even ends in the same way as the previous ones, with the Solo Wing / Blue Dragon form.

So ultimately I donā€™t think this is incompatible with the explanation that the dragon was the same dragon (Lagi) in every game. The other ā€œdifferent dragonsā€ explanation that Iā€™ve put forward myself in the past doesnā€™t just suggest that there were different dragon bodies, but that there were two different dragon ā€œsoulsā€, as a way of explaining how the dragon pup in PDS could fit into the storyline (i.e. by being Lagi, and Edgeā€™s dragon not being Lagi). Whichever explanation you prefer personally though, it does seem that the dragon is meant to go through different bodies, despite what was implied back at the time of Zwei.

As I said Lance, that seems to be the ultimate divider, the issue of souls not actually bodies. Thereā€™s too many reasons I canā€™t be happy with the ā€˜Lagi Crestā€™ scenario as more than an easter egg in Saga, but thereā€™s two main issues that actually break it for me.

The foremost is entirely subjective, I just donā€™t want to think of those FUGLY specialised forms as anything other than the bonus they appear to be. This is not a criticism against the creators at all, the morphing system in Saga is a technical marvel as it is and itā€™s actually pretty impressive they managed to get the Dark Dragon, Skydart, Brigadewing and Windrider models that close when forced to use the same base vertex data of the Solo Wing model.

But also Windrider as attack form? WTF! That seals the deal for me right thereā€¦

Second is this simple question I canā€™t find a satisfying answer to: If Old Blue is the true ultimate dragon form above everything else, including Light Wing, then why didnā€™t the Heresy Program just evolve to that again since it should be innately capable of it.

Itā€™s just another issue of which associations carry greater weight subjectively. If Solo Wing is supposed to be thought of as the ultimate dragon then Light Wing becomes almost an afterthought after all that build-up in the game. I personally like the Light Wing way too much to disrespect it that way.

The easter egg / gameplay bonus idea has been brought up in the past, and I do agree with part of it: I think that the Solo Wingā€™s alternate forms (Windrider / Skydart / Brigadewing / Dark Dragon) are probably only there as a nod to the fans, and arenā€™t really meant to make sense in storyline terms. As well as things like the Windrider-attack-form WTF factor, the Dark Dragonā€™s presence also seems to suggest this, especially as it appeared as a non-storyline bonus in Zwei as well.

However, I do personally think that the Solo Wing itself is probably meant to be a part of the storyline in Saga - or more significantly, that the events leading up to the dragon becoming the Solo Wing are meant to be a part of the storyline (I think the dragon actually becoming the Solo Wing is mainly a tangible reward for completing a side-quest that would otherwise be purely plot-based). The sequence of events where the player returns to Shelcoof, meets the spectral image of the dragon from the previous games, follows it back to the Dragon Crest they saw at the end of Zwei and watches a dragon pup emerge from the crest feels too elaborate and significant to me; too significant to just be the process of unlocking an easter egg, at least.

The way it associates itself so strongly with the ending of Zwei (the only other place where we saw the crest) convinces me that itā€™s intended as a sort of ā€œepilogueā€ to that plot strand. Or looking at it the other way around, if this truly were just the process of unlocking an easter egg, Iā€™d expect the team would have gone out of their way to distance it and not link it to the storyline events of the series at all, as doing so would only risk players being confused about what they are and arenā€™t meant to consider a part of the plot. On top of all that, because the Solo Wing / Blue Dragon was the dragonā€™s final / stable form and also a part of the storyline in the first two games, Iā€™m reluctant to believe that it isnā€™t meant to be this time.

Not that Iā€™m trying to write off the alternative either, (and youā€™re not the first to point out that it might be the case,) just explaining why I have a different view, as you gathered from my post.

Confusion = Panzer Dragoon thoughā€¦ :anjou_happy:

Seriously while I accept your reasoning I canā€™t entirely relate to it, the ā€œside questā€ taken as a whole doesnā€™t really have a plot and is itself confusing if looked at too closely. Itā€™s obtuseness is exactly what I would expect of an easter egg in this series. To me it seemed primarily an excuse to (finally) show off a Blue Dragon model that didnā€™t look horrible along side the 2nd/3rd-gen visuals of the sequels.

One odd detail Iā€™ve not seen mentioned is that, although Darky could perhaps be explained as being part of the same genetic ā€˜profileā€™ containing the prototype or guardian dragons; Brigadewing never actually existed in the Zwei scenario leading to Blue. Not a big issue, just another branch on the tree that shapes my attitude. I canā€™t easily separate part of ā€˜Solo Wingā€™ as story, the other part bonus.

BTW I do remember Al3xand3r (at least) has expressed this view, I know itā€™s not ā€˜my ideaā€™ but it is how Iā€™ve always felt about it.

Off topic-ish, (both ā€˜topicsā€™) I have a question for you Lance. Iā€™ve noted several statements from you that very nearly arrive at a correlation between ā€˜Sestrenā€™sā€™ Blue Dragon manifestation and the Heresy Dragon, I think as vague support for the Twin Sestren program idea or something like. But in general you seem to avoid the idea, Iā€™m curious if you have any particular reason.

That ā€œAnti-Solo Wingā€ notion was pretty novel to me when I first saw it, having met ā€˜Sestrenā€™ as (I think) Light Wing the first time it never occured to me. My first impression was that it was Sestrenā€™s innate form, and so there must be some significance to that. At this point, and after being influenced by all the ideas and terminology on TWotA, Iā€™ve settled on a certain idea about it.

If ā€˜the dragonā€™ was always meant to manifest for some reason (I have a theory for that almost worked out as well) then why couldnā€™t it have always been intended as a ā€˜projectionā€™ of Sestren? Just for illustration; in Zwei Lagi presumably ā€œevolvesā€ based on the stimulus of his battles, but then, if heā€™s pressed really hard he makes the ā€˜jumpā€™ to the innate ā€˜designā€™ heā€™s always destined for. A design of direct purpose perhaps?

Here is a totally playful idea, based on nothing at all save perhaps Gashā€™s lone remark that *Dragons ended the Ancient Ageā€¦
*

**What if the ā€˜Sestrenā€™ we meet at the end of Saga was also a dragon designed to infiltrate the Tower network?
**

Iā€™ll leave it at that for now. And apologies Kimimi if I come across like Iā€™m hijacking your topic, just let me know and Iā€™ll move my $#!t elsewhere. Great job, as always! :anjou_love:

Oh no Heretic you always argue your points in such an interesting way Iā€™ve got no problem with them sitting on this thread!

I have to say that I agree with this point, the way this whole scene is done seems to have some ā€œweightā€ to it, and they go out of their way to make sure you catch all the symbolism in that scene. Not that itā€™s impossible for it to just be a nice Easter Egg, eitherā€¦ :anjou_wow:

Heh, well I can hardly argue that it instantly and obviously makes sense. Iā€™m also aware that I view the dragon-pup-coming-out-of-the-crest event as being more important than most players do, as my personal opinion is that itā€™s there to tie up the ā€œloose endā€ that was the ending of Panzer Dragoon Zwei; which also didnā€™t make absolute sense in of itself, though the diaries in Saga do fill out several details in retrospect.

Now if this scene with the dragon pup and the crest was put in Saga to show us what the ending of Zwei was all about - by showing us Lagi coming out of the dragon crest forty years later with a new body - that would make sense to me; not because itā€™s an obvious interpretation when you look at the rest of the storyline apart from this (itā€™s not), but because I canā€™t think of any other convincing reason for why the crest and the pup appear in PDS. But if youā€™ve been reading past forum topics and site content youā€™ve probably gathered my view on this by now. :wink:

Just thought Iā€™d mention that, although I agree these forms probably were included as a nice surprise for fans, thereā€™s a way that even this could plausibly make sense within the storyline. It would depend where all the ā€œdesignsā€ for these dragon forms - their genetic blueprints - are meant to be coming from; we can gather that the dragon-program is shaping the physical dragonā€™s growth, and as someone pointed out in the past, it might be that itā€™s meant to be morphing its body into the forms of actual Ancient Age dragon designs, rather than just making the forms us as it goes along.

At least a couple of things in the series seem to hint that the dragon designs we see may have been created by the Ancients themselves (e.g. all of the dragon crests in Saga have the Solo Wingā€™s image carved on them, Sestren manifests itself as a Solo Wing, etc.) so this doesnā€™t seem too crazy an idea. If this was hypothetically what we were meant to think, with enough time or power the dragon-program would be able to transform the physical dragon into any form that it knew of, including all of those ones from Zwei, the Dark Dragon, etc. without molesting storyline continuity too much.

I wouldnā€™t say Iā€™m consciously trying to avoid any ideas surrounding that, but my opinion on the ā€œSestren Solo Wingā€ that you fight at the end of Saga is that itā€™s probably just meant to be in the same boat as the anti-dragons and the illusionary Shelcoof / Golia / Mel-Kava etc. that Sestren throws at you; just another simulation / illusion of a real thing that Sestren conjures up to show its superiority and to beat you about the place with. It would make some amount of sense for Sestren to manifest itself as a Solo Wing in this case, as itā€™s more or less the most dangerous thing in the storyline. Thatā€™s a pretty unimaginative explanation, but it seems quite a safe oneā€¦

To be clear Lance the only reason Iā€™ve been talking about it in these terms is because itā€™s ultimately my take on the Solo Wing that holds me away from the whole separate soul issue, since itā€™s only brought into question because of the baby-dragon-crest depiction. In other words I find I canā€™t subscribe to the idea itself if only by default, as itā€™s essentially justified by that scenario. In and of itself the idea is intriguing enough.

Iā€™ll throw out one other caveat in respect to Lundiā€™s apparent attitude that the dragon has a soul, and at the point in the story we are given the diary it wouldnā€™t yet have ā€˜Lagiā€™sā€™ soul so what heā€™s telling us would effectively be wrong. Thatā€™s nitpicking but itā€™s relevant in respect to other assumptions that Lundiā€™s statements can be taken at face value.

On the subject of Lundiā€™s statements, many implications given by the game translation of the Old Diary are not at all evident in Kimimiā€™s text:

Birth of the Dragon

This world has been molded into
its current shape by the powers
of a series of ruins we call
Towers. The Towers control the
environment, breed monsters,
and control human populations.

1/3
Before the worlds current form had been established, there were groups of ruins called [Towers]. The aim of these constructions was to manage various areas of the ancient world, ?Living Weapons? selflessly
2* governing death.*

I will note that the ā€œbreedingā€ description apparently has no basis in the Japanese script, or for that matter any reference to controlling the human population as such. Iā€™m very curious if the principle is made clear in other texts. But a key difference here is the clearer implication that the Towers were indeed a force during the ancient age, as further suggested by the next partā€¦

Even in the Ancient Age, there
were people against the presence
of the Towers. The Towersā€™
creators feared these rebels would
rise to destroy the Towers, so
they created monsters to guard
their creations. And the dragons.

*2/3
However, even in the Ancient Age, there were those who were against the Towers.

Towers were the Lords of Creation, the fear of destruction from the Tower depending on him3, from inside the womb of [Uru] the fountain of the world, the Tower had the strongest of all the ?Living Weapons? under* its protection4.
That was, the Dragons.

That ā€œcreated monsters to guard their creationsā€ part and any subsequent mention of ā€œrebelsā€ is not even hinted at. I do have a question here Kimimi, the next part mentions the dragons seemingly cast as the protectors, rather than the protected, is there any way the above could alternatively read something like ā€œā€¦strongest of all the ?Living Weapons? for/as its protection.ā€ ?

One dragon is posted at each
Tower. They perform their duty to
this day, as they have for over a
millenium. Not even the Empire can
stand before them. The only force
that can counter the dragonā€™s
power are the dragons themselves.

3/3
Respectively Tower 1 is given over to the head Dragon, the mission given to them is still continued now as expected of them.
Even the Imperial troops that handle Ancient Age weapons are torn apart by the protection.
To be able to oppose the strength of that Dragon, a similar Dragon is needed

This part doesnā€™t directly suggest that every tower would have a guardian dragon as the original translation does. There is however still a specific reinforcement that the Towers and/or Dragons are indeed still carrying out their task. It also leads to an elaboration on the Sestren question I already askedā€¦

Between the Blue Dragon manifestation Sestren takes, and the image of the pure/impure ā€˜dragon soulsā€™ I have always had the image of Sestren as being a dragon itself. That seems to me the most obvious interpretation of this translation as well, which is why I brought up those ideas in this topic. Actually the ā€˜Sestren as infiltratorā€™ notion was directly inspired by this topic a couple days ago and itā€™s not something I have any convictions about, stillā€¦ itā€™s kinda growing on me the more I consider.

For myself I am quite convinced that thereā€™s a reason the Heresy Program ā€˜createsā€™ a dragon and that Sestren ā€˜manifestsā€™ as a dragon. Thatā€™s what both of them are, ā€œdragon soulsā€.

*The Heresy Dragon

1/4

Now that you are the dragon rider, our friends soul now lies with you.
Simply, he is the [Destroyer of Towers] dragon soul.
Within reason, all other dragons are your enemy.*

That part is exciting to me, itā€™s perfectly in line with the direction I found myself heading with some theorising I started right after I joined the forum. Taken as a whole there does seem to be a more mystical element to the ā€œtechnologyā€ of the ancients implied in the Japanese script. And already the biblical reference to dragons being the other creation of the gods is a reinforcement I take for the idea of dragons being something just a little outside even The Ancientsā€™ full control or understanding.

Perhaps Iā€™ve only got the idea as a carryover from Anne McCaffreyā€™s influence, but as such thereā€™s many other similarities to be foundā€¦

AMENDMENT: Another detail that briefly slipped my mind, perhaps because itā€™s not exactly conducive to my current musing on Sestren as ancient infiltrator;

In the context of ā€˜Sestrenā€™ being literally a Dragon, the very dragon form we meet, the significance of the form on every Dragon Crest would seem obvious. They are a symbol of ā€œThe Dragonā€ yes, more specifically they are a symbol of Sestren, as in THE Dragon, the ā€œhead dragonā€.

And, just perhaps, even a symbol of the ā€œHand of guidance, eyes of the Judgeā€? Again, was it possibly always the ā€œchildā€ of Sestren the human ā€˜flocksā€™ were set to expect as their savior? :anjou_happy:

*Our friend, who is the Heretic child of the dragon, was the birth and the heresy. *

Towers were the Lords of Creation, the fear of destruction from the Tower depending on him3*, from inside the womb of [Uru] the fountain of the world, the Tower had the strongest of all the ?Living Weapons? under its protection4.
That was, the Dragons.*

I got my possessives mixed up! Sorry everyone!

It will now read -

ā€œā€¦ the guardians of the Tower were the strongest ā€œLiving Weaponsā€ ever developed.
That was, the dragons.ā€

I missed off the develop/produced word first time, for some reason (even though itā€™s in my notes!).

Alright Kimimi! So the divine protection is now well established. Yesā€¦ excellent! lol

As you may have noticed Iā€™m really loving this translation, after reading it all together the (predictably) less direct Japanese styling is becoming quite tangible. Yet Iā€™m now almost convinced that the vague contradictions weā€™ve had to deal with in regard to the Towersā€™ purpose and continuing function may have been partially a result of the original translation becoming fixated on the totalitarian aspect and possibly even fabricating some of those population control details.

The thing Iā€™m now most wondering about is what Craymenā€™s monologue in the Tower says. Thatā€™s the most direct illustration of the purpose given in the English version. Not that Iā€™m suggesting anythingā€¦ :anjou_happy:

Thank you once again Kimimi, and thanks to the guys who suggested the diary as well, awesome pick.

Sounds like a challenge! If Lance can screen grab it, Iā€™ll give it a shot (and be more careful with my grammar this time! :anjou_embarassed: )