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[Al3xand3r]

To me casual means little thought or effort being put into the single player mode , or having sports games that hardly simulate the sport they meant to be representing.

Doesn’t matter what it means to you, many casual games, some of Nintendo’s own, are quality stuff. Being aimed at casuals doesn’t mean it has to be shit, or offer nothing to the seasoned gamer. I think many non casual games end up shit and may still sell well for various reasons like hype, some movie licence or whatever. Again, all consoles get shit games, the higher selling the more shit games. It means nothing if good games are also made and the Wii delivers enough and delivers more and more as time passes.

As for sports games, I can’t think of any I would consider a simulation on any system.

1 or 2 , and the upcoming SEGA seeds stuff look good, nothing to that what the 360 can boost off (upcoming wise)

Many more than 1 or 2, I’ve listed more than 20 and there are many I didn’t list just because we have yet to see much of, even if they’re promising due to the team working on it or whatever, and there are bound to be many we still don’t know of. Like those 40 EA titles, not all are going to be ports or party games otherwise they’d compete with themselves. They’ll have to offer things for different audiences. Or those two other Sega games announced alongside Mad World (I guess Sonic and the Black Knight is one).

Anyway, if those 20 we do know of are better, worse or as good as what will be available on other systems remains to be seen and is highly sybjective. As said already, Fatal Frame IV has been met with as good (and at times as mixed) response as Siren so far.

Because its not in their interests to speed million on a high performance high engine built from the ground up on the the Wii , and because EA knows the causal don’t care , and they still sell millions .

Tarot again. Maybe the opposite will happen. Maybe since there are many more serious games with actual effort put into them coming (like how PES is better than FIFA for a simple example), the rest of the companies will have to follow suit or face the consequences. Tarot doesn’t always have to be negative and EA show they’re not all about quick cash ins with stuff like Boom Blox anyway, another casual game that is of good quality, it wasn’t by accident.

Besides, look at the DS. It’s getting all the shovelware the Wii is and more, but that doesn’t stop good games from respected developers to keep coming out also. It’s even a haven for niche hardcore genres like the dungeon crawlers Etrian Odyssey and Shiren the Wanderer. I can’t argue with that, if anything I wish Sega had found a way to sell to the then mainstream/casual market of Sony even if they had to make shovelware, as long as they kept making their good games also and other companies did the same.

it does if they’re making new version for other platforms. It either shows your console is not capable enough to lead and build the game around it , or that its not selling well.

Or it has to do with Sony investing large sums of money in Square. At least Nintendo don’t have to do that and still get a game built from the ground up ONLY for the Wii and no other system. If it’s called FF or not (well, it is) makes no difference since it’s a JRPG by Square. Everyone thought Blue Dragon getting on Xbox was amazing news just because it was from the FF creators, now the creators don’t matter so much?

You think with the Wii selling the best by a mile in FF heartland , the FF 13 Team would be making a Wii version and not a 360 version , They aren’t and the reason is so very simple , its comes down to performance and not a lot else

Only because it was started (probably years ago) as a PS3 title (remeber, investors) which means a port for the Wii is impossible to be of decent quality unless they more or less remake the whole game. If they have to put the effort all over again, why not make a new title that is actually designed for the Wii’s ability and interface? As for sales, or rather, profit, yes, it is a major factor, otherwise they wouldn’t make FFXIII multi platform.

[Team_Andromeda]

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As for sports games, I can’t think of any I would consider a simulation on any system.[/quote]

Oh I think one can class Madden , Fifa Forza II , Olympics as simulation . With thier Wii counters parts the detail either been replaced with cartoon graphics , or like with Pro Evo the number of teams and features cut

Like those 40 EA titles

Pig will fly too , EA over the couple years make 40 games for the wii, and you don’t expect 90% of them to be mini game or port based city ?

Or it has to do with Sony investing large sums of money in Square. At least Nintendo don’t have to do that and still get a game built from the ground up ONLY for the Wii and no other system. If it’s called FF or not

Oh dear NCL been there and done that , you see in the Snes days NCL were the ones with the nice shares stake in Square , just like SONY , and NCL got the pay book out to pay for RE4 and try and keep it exclusive .

You’re going to tell me SONY and MS got the check books out to makes sure the likes of , Rainbow Six , GRAW Ace Combat IV , RE 5 , DMC IV , Far Cry II , COD IV were only on their consoles , rather that the developers also wanted to push and take the series forward with the the levels of GFX the next gen could offer .

Sure a cheque book in a couple of those tiles played it part , but also there the ability the next gen chip set can offer a developer too

which means a port for the Wii is impossible to be of decent quality unless they more or less remake the whole game

Just my point it comes down to performance

[Chizzles]

After reading all of the above… I have come to the final conclusion of this “debate”:

[Al3xand3r]

Oh I think one can class Madden , Fifa Forza II , Olympics as simulation.

I think not, but whatever, it doesn’t matter. As for cartoon graphics, big deal. Cut features, whatever, as long as the game’s good. They did add a feature which matters more, that being innovative and intuitive controls. Maybe 09 will have more features, it’s hardly a console’s power that stops them from putting in different tournaments or match options, it screams short development schedule more than anything else, it happens.

EA over the couple years make 40 games for the wii, and you don’t expect 90% of them to be mini game or port based city?

A large percentage, sure, all of them like you stated, hell no. Also, nothing about their time frame was mentioned so, what couple of years? Ports aren’t always bad either.

Oh dear NCL been there and done that , you see in the Snes days NCL were the ones with the nice shares stake in Square , just like SONY , and NCL got the pay book out to pay for RE4 and try and keep it exclusive.

I never said paying for exclusives is such a bad thing you know, I just gave an example where there are more reasons than “zomg dis consoel is 2 weak for r game, maek it fer PS3” or whatever other bullshit. Especially since you emphasised on Final Fantasy so much like it’s the second coming, it didn’t seem so grand in the Saturn days huh?

You’re going to tell me SONY and MS got the check books out to makes sure the likes of , Rainbow Six , GRAW Ace Combat IV , RE 5 , DMC IV , Far Cry II , COD IV were only on their consoles , rather that the developers also wanted to push and take the series forward with the the levels of GFX the next gen could offer.

I’ve already explained various reasons, I’m not gonna repeat myself just because you do. I don’t have to make a questionable list of Wii exclusives now do I? As for some of those series, again, there are more reasons than wanting to use your beloved consoles’ power, for example starting life as PC games or using middleware which wouldn’t work on the Wii or wanting to go for what they believe is a different market, or other such issues.

Also, COD: WaW uses the COD4 engine and it’s getting a Wii port so obviously there were other factors for COD4 not appearing on the Wii. Let’s (well, I know you won’t) just hope the port is better than COD3, though it was an adequate game and COD3 wasn’t that special on any platform.

If it was all about power, there’d be no games done on any portable, no games done on the Wii, no games done on anything but a PC, or, fine, 360 and PS3 also, no games done for PSN or XBLA or WiiWare and no low end PC titles or whatever. Or if they were making such games then at least everyone should think they are shit games. But they don’t. Damnit, you made me repeat myself again after all.

Some of those series are irrelevant since the developers are working on Wii games (of the same genre) also, I’ve already asked why would a Wii owner care he doesn’t get Ace Combat if he gets Sky Crawlers? Does a 360 owner care he doesn’t get Sky Crawlers since he gets Ace Combat? Other series, fine, nice games and good for Microsoft and Sony. Nintendo have their fair share of Wii only games coming. But then again you honestly think only 2 Wii games are and will be good so that doesn’t tell you much. It doesn’t makes you right either.

Just my point it comes down to performance

Haha, ha, no. Here’s the proper quote:

Only because it was started (probably years ago) as a PS3 title (remeber, investors) which means a port for the Wii is impossible to be of decent quality unless they more or less remake the whole game. If they have to put the effort all over again, why not make a new title that is actually designed for the Wii’s ability and interface? As for sales, or rather, profit, yes, it is a major factor, otherwise they wouldn’t make FFXIII multi platform.

I can’t help but notice you respond to less and less of my actual posts and points and resort to more and more selective quoting trying to 1up me by using something I said totally out of context.

[Team_Andromeda]

As for cartoon graphics, big deal. Cut features, whatever, as long as the game’s good.

Oh If you’re trying to make a sim you want the graphics to be as real as possible , you want to go overboard on stat’s, and make sure evey detail from the player faces to the stadium is as accurate as possible
To a casual you wouldn’t care if that hairpin or tyre wall, wasn’t in the right place , to a sport fans gamer its can be a big deal .

Also, nothing about their time frame was mentioned so, what couple of years? Ports aren’t always bad either.

Well I suspect over the next couple of years EA would bring out a load of titles for the PS3 and 360 too as well wouldn’t you ?.
Its getting read to ship the new Maddens , the New Fifa’s , Mirrors Edge , Rock band II, Deep Space over the next few months there’s 5 games there for a start .

Ports aren’t bad , but on the Wii they tend to be

Especially since you emphasised on Final Fantasy so much like it’s the second coming, it didn’t seem so grand in the Saturn days huh?

That was the move that killed SEGA and the Saturn in Japan , untill Final 7 Fantasy SEGA was way out in front in Japan , its also killed the N64 chances too . Amazing what a developer will do , when the team begin to hit limits ,

In that case in was storage limits , wasn’t the game 1st meant to be a N64 DD exclusive???

So on that front you’re on a hiding to nothing as well .

If it was all about power, there’d be no games done on any portable, no games done on the Wii, no games done on anything but a PC, or, fine, 360 and PS3 also, no games done for PSN or XBLA or WiiWare

Please don’t try the little trick of changing what people said , I know its not all about power , but for the main, developers with their big name franchise will look to use the more powerful chip set to move the series forward , it’s how its always been.

I’ve already asked why would a Wii owner care he doesn’t get Ace Combat if he gets Sky Crawlers

And Namco last spin off was such a success on the Wii ? I thought Soulcalibur Legends was a complete disaster.

I think what people would rather is the original Team working on the originals franchises with nice big budgets on the 360 or PS3 . I’ll put money on Sky Crawlers not being up to the levels of AC IV , but we’ll see

power, for example starting life as PC games or using

And what’s wrong with that , Many of my favourite games started life out as either a Arcade or PC titles , yet know the main the sequels are starting life or being developed along side on the consoles , more power allows developers to do that see.

[Al3xand3r]

Oh If you’re trying to make a sim

Like I said I wouldn’t qualify any of the sports games as sims. Yeah, some racers are sim (as long as you use an expensive wheel, gears and pedals) but I don’t count those as sports, they’re their own genre (racing, dur). Many of them are nothing like sims even if they go for a perceived realism also, I’d only really count proper Rally, F1 and Toca titles as sims, anything replicating a real sport as you call it. Stuff like Ferrari Challenge also.

I never heard people complain about a stadium not being identical to the real one because likely, they don’t notice either (heck you barely get good views of the details), even if they’re big fans. I never saw mentions of how true to life such details are in reviews (reader or otherwise) either. Hardcore fans who would notice such differences are a tiny minority as far as I’m concerned, more fans of the sport than fans of video games. Not to mention PES has been the most acclaimed soccer series since before they were using real names and such (I don’t know if they are now).

Having a hairpin at the wrong place (as opposed to just having the track and cars less detailed or cartoony) has nothing to do with the power of a system.

Also, sports game players are usually damn casual, my brother doesn’t play any game but Fifa and Football Manager, that doesn’t make him more hardcore than a Wii owner (me for example). Calling them sims doesn’t change such attitude, it’s how EA Sports grew to power, by going for the mainstream with all their licence based titles even if they had inferior games to other sports developers.

Well I suspect over the next couple of years EA would bring out a load of titles for the PS3 and 360 too as well wouldn’t you?

Of course, why not? Good for them. Again, I’m not the one claiming other consoles don’t get enough games or something…

That was the move that killed SEGA and the Saturn in Japan , untill Final 7 Fantasy SEGA was way out in front in Japan

So it got popular. And? I think we’ve established mass popularity doesn’t mean shit, otherwise the Wii would be a true victor (which I don’t think it is, but neither are the other systems) or FFVII would be a superior game to PDS. Sony was the casual mainstream brand back then, now it’s Nintendo’s turn suddenly it’s such an evil thing. It’s not like people supported them enough when they didn’t go this route, now they expand (yes, they didn’t change, they still do their old series and make new ones too so it’s an expansion) everyone has a fit over it.

In that case in was storage limits , wasn’t the game 1st meant to be a N64 DD

The game was vastly different when in development for the N64 (so it wasn’t the fact they couldn’t fit the FMVs or something) and we have no way to know what caused the cancelation. This is the first time I hear about the DD relation but I guess it may have been reported, either way it makes little difference. I’m inclined to think it was the start of Sony’s cooperation with Squaresoft more than anything else but that’s a guesstimate like most of your assumptions.

Please don’t try the little trick of changing what people said , I know its not all about power , but for the main, developers with their big name franchise will look to use the more powerful chip set to move the series forward , it’s how its always been.

I think the Wii is getting enough big games and more and more as time passes. It just happens many of them are new. I don’t think that’s a negative. Also, again, I thought we established mass popularity isn’t everything, therefor why does it matter if something is “big name” or not? Those “big names” had to start with a first game also anyway, people would never play the original Silent Hill if they just said they want a big name like Resident Evil instead, but now they’re almost equally big series. There are also big games which aren’t really a series, maybe with 1 or 2 sucessful titles and nothing more of them.

Like I said I spend my time equally on “big” games and games you’ve probably never heard of even if they don’t use anywhere near the full power of my PC because that’s the last of my worries, otherwise I’d just play each period’s Crysis-like game and little else so I would miss out on dozens of grand experiences. It’s the experience that matters to me, if something is finely crafted it doesn’t matter if the developer was able (or even wanted) to exploit the best technology available or not. If I play so many technologically inferior games (and love them while doing so) on a platform with so much power, I can certainly live with owning a platform without such power also.

And Namco last spin off was such a success on the Wii? I thought Soulcalibur Legends was a complete disaster.

Sky Crawlers is not a spin off, get your facts straight. Apparently you don’t even know anything about it, even though it takes 10 seconds on google to find out. You just senselessly bash anything that has to do with the Wii without research, don’t you? I don’t think there’s any studio that hasn’t made any crap games ever. Otherwise you shouldn’t be so excited about Valkyria Chronicles or even Sonic Unleashed when Sega has also made many, many shit titles.

I’ll put money on Sky Crawlers not being up to the levels of AC IV , but we’ll see

I think it’s more comparable to the likes of Crimson Skies than Ace Combat. You’re inclined to have your personal preferences over which is “better” for yourself.

What is or isn’t better isn’t up to anybody’s personal preferences (no, not mine either, again I’m not claiming the Wii 1ups any other system).

Personally, I thought Ace Combat was always boring so I’m glad they’re doing something a little different for the Wii. Being based on an anime will hopefully result in more exciting stories and gameplay. Either way, it should be a good combat flight game for the Wii. Going back to the big games, I think Sky Crawlers has the potential to be as big for Namco as Ace Combat, at least they cared enough to spend money on a licence of a big anime IP, they don’t do that often.

You already state how much you dislike motion controls and how much you care about next gen visuals so I don’t think you can be expected to enjoy a Wii flight game all that much (though it looks quite good itself). It won’t mean much. If the game is shit, I’ll be the first to acknowledge it, that still won’t mean a good flight game on Wii isn’t possible, it’ll be yet another Namco failure as far as I’m concerned. I don’t think anyone said the PS3 or 360 suck because of Sonic and it won’t be the first time an anticipated game ends up disappointing.

And what’s wrong with that

Nothing is wrong with that, I’m not the one who puts down other systems, remember? I never said anything is wrong with that, I’m only giving examples of reasons behind what console gets what game, you just constantly ignore what’s said and respond to different arguments than the ones presented.

[Team_Andromeda]

but I don’t count those as sports, they’re their own genre (racing, dur). Many of them are nothing like sims even if they go for a perceived realism also,

Racing is still a sport , like it or not . And you don’t need a pedals to make it more of a sim, I think F335 proves this beyond a doubt , its a brutal sim either with a pad or wheel

Also, sports game players are usually damn casual, my brother doesn’t play any game but Fifa and Football Manager, that doesn’t make him more hardcore than a Wii owner (me for example).

Most of the Football Manger players are anything but casual, they care about every detail . You only have to look at the likes of Wii sports to see the type of gamers NCl is going after .

Having a hairpin at the wrong place (as opposed to just having the track and cars less detailed or cartoony) has nothing to do with the power of a system

Stop twisting again , I never said it was, I was on about the type of gamer , and the more serious gamer tends to want thier sports games to be more real than your typical Wii sports game or racer .

I think we’ve established mass popularity doesn’t mean shit, otherwise the Wii would be a true victor

No we’ve established developers like to pick systems on their abilities as well, not just Market share.

This is the first time I hear about the DD relation but I guess it may have been reported, either way it makes little difference.

Both FF7 and Dragon Quest were coming the N64 DD , Yamachi even boosted that Sony or SEGA don’t have Square, when talking of the DD drive . Sadly the N64 DD just didn’t offer the data storage the teams needed or wanted , those are the only reasons why they were moved .

It just happens many of them are new.

That’s not the issue but if you want to play COD IV , RE 5, GTA IV, DMC IV ect, you need to get a PS3 or 360 . Its not all down to money , but developers feeling the power the 360 and PS3 can offer allows them to do more with their series . That is my point

[quote] I don’t think there’s any studio that hasn’t made any crap games ever. Otherwise you shouldn’t be so excited about Valkyria Chronicles or even Sonic Unleashed when Sega has also made many, many shit titles.
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Oh I cheer and look forward to SEGA games untill the end .
I’m making the point , what would most of the fans rather , the Ace Combat team making a new game in the series , for the nex gen or them working on Sky Crawlers (I take it the AC team are working on it)

I think it’s more comparable to the likes of Crimson Skies than Ace Combat. You’re inclined to have your personal preferences over which is “better” for yourself.

The funny thing is Crimson Skies is my fav fight console game ever , I think its way better than the likes of AC to say the truth, because, yes at the end of the day its more fun . We’ll just have to see what the SC team will do on the wii

Nothing is wrong with that, I’m not the one who puts down other systems, remember

Even consoles I hate I will give credit too if the games I good, I hate the PS yet I know there’s plenty of great games for the system, I’ve knocked 7 bells out of the PS2, Yet I can’t fault its line up and wouldn’t sell it for the world

The Wii to me is not only a poor console , its game line up is lacking

[Al3xand3r]

Racing is still a sport , like it or not . And you don’t need a pedals to make it more of a sim, I think F335 proves this beyond a doubt , its a brutal sim either with a pad or wheel

It’s not a simulation if the interface is not simulated. If a fan is so hardcore he cares about little details like what you mention, he’ll want a wheel. Otherwise, I doubt he’d even know or care about such details.

Most of the Football Manger players are anything but casual, they care about every detail. You only have to look at the likes of Wii sports to see the type of gamers NCl is going after.

I never said the games lack depth, I just said they attract non gamers all the same. Look @ things like basketsim.com for example, those also have depth, but it’s clear they’re played by people who don’t even own any video games at all. I wouldn’t call somebody’s mom who can sometimes waste hours on Tetris or SimCity a hardcore gamer either.

Why only look @ Wii Sports for what Nintendo wants to attract and not look @ Metroid Prime 3, Super Mario Galaxy and Fatal Frame IV? Because they don’t sell as good? Again, I thought sales aren’t everything, ha…

I don’t deny they want to attract casual gamers, heck, why the hell not? Sony did in the past, it worked fine. I wish Sega had found a way to attract a bigger audience and still keep making their known series also, Nintendo have found it instead and I’m enjoying it. Not all casual games are trash anyway, I played a few here and there before the Wii came to be. As long as they’re still making Mario & Zelda & Metroid and getting other franschises or new IPs like Fatal Frame & Fragile & Sky Crawlers, I’m happy.

the more serious gamer tends to want thier sports games to be more real than your typical Wii sports game or racer.

I’d say the more serious gamer plays less sports games than anything else. Maybe racers are popular among non casuals also but I’d say they go for the less sim-y games there, real racing sports aren’t as exciting as games not based on them. As for more real, again, some of EA’s sports titles were the first to get a good response on the Wii. They sure have slipped since but they seem to be getting back to form with the likes of NFL 09, call your shot mode looks like a great addition. Waggling to cheer, not so much, but it’s nothing that affects the game badly thankfully.

No we’ve established developers like to pick systems on their abilities as well, not just Market share.

I’d say, eh, no we haven’t.

Sadly the N64 DD just didn’t offer the data storage the teams needed or wanted , those are the only reasons why they were moved.

Maybe you’re right about the previous things I don’t quote here, but that’s certainly pure guessing. Even if it was announced, you still have no idea what went on behind the scenes, especially since Nintendo third party relationships weren’t the best back then. It’s like Phil Harrison “resigning” from Sony shortly after publically saying this or the recent Tecmo troubles, who knows what went up?

That’s not the issue but if you want to play COD IV, RE 5, GTA IV, DMC IV ect, you need to get a PS3 or 360 . Its not all down to money , but developers feeling the power the 360 and PS3 can offer allows them to do more with their series. That is my point.

COD3 and COD5 are also on Wii (and again COD5 is same engine as COD4 so the issue with 4 wasn’t power obviously) and you need a Wii to play Sky Crawlers, Fatal Frame IV, No More Heroes, Zack & Wiki, My Life as a King, Chocobo’s Dungeon, Lost Winds, Tales of Symphonia 2, Fragile, Mad World, De Blob, Deadly Creatures, Shiren the Wanderer 3, Tenchu 4, Little King Story, Arc Rise Fantasia, etc. As I said, big games don’t have to be part of a long running series, so, no, I don’t see your point.

I’m making the point , what would most of the fans rather , the Ace Combat team making a new game in the series , for the nex gen or them working on Sky Crawlers (I take it the AC team are working on it).

Yes, that team is working on it. Well, if they’re fans of Ace Combat then they likely have a 360 or PS3 and not a Wii so it’s obvious what they’ll want if you ask, that doesn’t mean much. Who knows, maybe Sky Crawlers is enough to get them to buy a Wii if they’re so big fans of the developers. I’m sure that if they also own a Wii, (and any Wii owner, fan of AC or not) they’re glad they’re getting this game.

The funny thing is Crimson Skies is my fav fight console game ever , I think its way better than the likes of AC to say the truth, because, yes at the end of the day its more fun . We’ll just have to see what the SC team will do on the wii

Yes, it was pretty good on the PC also but the Xbox version was far far better. I hope Namco can achieve similar results but maybe I’m only making the comparison because both have an “alternate WW2 fantasy” style look.

The Wii to me is not only a poor console, its game line up is lacking

Others feel different, and again it came later than the 360. I think both 360 and PS3 took sometime to start getting the really notable games other than first party main franschises. In fact, I think PS3 started being a worthy choice after the release of MGS4 which is fairly recent. Still, the Wii has enough games for me (true, most of them first or second party), I’ve yet to pick up all of the notable titles even. Still, the list of upcoming promising games keeps getting larger all the time so its future is looking bright.

[Team_Andromeda]

it’s not a simulation if the interface is not simulated.

Nice try , but its the game that simulates and need to account of physics of the game world . Sure the wheel can add to the gaming experience , but Flight sims used to be quite big on the PC , and you didn’t need a Helicopter flight dec or wear a Jump suite for it to be classed or seen as a sim .

I just said they attract non gamers all the same. Look @ things like basketsim.com for example, those also have depth, but it’s clear they’re played by people who don’t even own any video games at all.

Why are so many people so fond of Sports Interactive , is it because they’re seen been in the most in-depth when it comes to making Manger sims ?.

Why do makers of Basket Ball games , try and get every detail right , even down to making sure the player has the correct facial hair , skin colour or tattoo is on the correct right arm , why even the mangers of teams is correctly models , or the correct commentator is singed up?.

Me thinks those details count to the more serious sports fan .

Why only look @ Wii Sports for what Nintendo wants to attract and not look @ Metroid Prime 3, Super Mario Galaxy and Fatal Frame IV?

When was the last time NCL developed a serious racer In-House ???, They don’t they’re not after that market, and its like saying because MS made Viva they’re now a kiddies corp , when most of their line up proves otherwise .

Sony did in the past, it worked fine. I wish Sega had found a way to attract a bigger audience and still keep making their known serie

Oh SONY and SEGA have always mad games for the causal , the big diff is it wasn’t at the expense of the more serious gamer . Sony Soho could make all those wonderful EyeToy and Singstar series of games , while the others Teams made the more serious games .
The trouble with NCL is they just don’t operate is that way , and have to come up with rubbish with the Mario and Zelda team are buzy , we promise , while the other divisions make a Wii music or Wii sports II .

Fatal Frame & Fragile & Sky Crawlers, I’m happy.

Oh Big name titles there I must say .

I agree Project Zero is simple the best horror game ever made, but I’m more looking forward to RE5

I’d say the more serious gamer plays less sports games than anything else.

Madden, Fifa , Grand Grand Turismo, Forza are all multi million sellers this gen , so the facts prove otherwise .

I’d say, eh, no we haven’t.

I say we have you just refuse to accept it . Tell me this Michel Ancel is a big fan of the Wii isn’t he , yet if you want to play Beyond Good and Evill II a 360 or PS3 is what you need .

Why, is it because he team want to use cutting edge graphics ???, but don’t tell me you’ll be happy with raving rabbits

especially since Nintendo third party relationships weren’t the best back then

Square and Enix only ever made games for NCL in the 8 bit and 16bit days, Square are the reason why the SFC could control over 91% of the Japanese Market .
That’s why NCL had a stake in the company , why they were allowed to make Super Mario the RPG ect .

They jumped ship simply because of the storage medium .

COD3 and COD5 are also on Wii (and again COD5 is same engine as COD4 so the issue with 4 wasn’t power obviously)

Which version would people play , which versions are the most talked about ?. And of course COD V is using the number 4 engine seeing as Treyarch are making it , while Infinity Ward work on the new engine ,its how been .

and you need a Wii to play Sky Crawlers, Fatal Frame IV,

You’ve played those games , my that’s impressive FF IV only just come out and I never knew SC is already out

Maybe you need to play the 360 , Ps3 eh, then you might find out that got a good games line up , and not all of them of big name sequels .

On these points we could be hear all night

I’m only making the comparison because both have an “alternate WW2 fantasy” style look

Well we see

Others feel different, and again it came later than the 360. I think both 360 and PS3 took sometime to start getting the really notable games other than first party main franschises

This coming out late never stopped the Super Nintendo being hail as a al time classic from day one , the X-Box came out late , but that remains my best console from last gen.

So I don’t share those points , more so as the Wii is more or less a Cube and developers can use the same libraries, tools to get a head start . And I really don’t see what people see in MGS IV, I’ve bought it and its dull , the controls are horrid the AI rubbish , and not even some of the best GFX can save the game .

To me the reason to own the PS3 is MotoStorm and Everybody Golf, strange buy true

[Al3xand3r]

Flight sims used to be quite big on the PC , and you didn’t need a Helicopter flight dec or wear a Jump suite for it to be classed or seen as a sim.

But if you’re a sim fan you certainly play those with a joystick, not to mention they’re often impossible to play properly with just the mouse.

Me thinks those details count to the more serious sports fan.

Then why was PES with all the wrong unlicenced names considered the best soccer game (not sim to me)? Anyway, for your question,I’d say it’s exactly because they’re aimed to fans of the sport rather than fans of video games. If someone’s favorite team is done with the wrong line up, he will notice. That’s why Fifa was more popular than PES, because they had the licences and attracted the mainstream audience whereas PES with the better game failed to please that audience as much. We’re not gonna start calling EA Sports hardcore now are we? They’ve always DEFINED mainstream prior to this generation that they’ve finally started (some times) getting better results. Not having this mainstream type of game was another hit to Sega back then, every non gamer knew of Fifa games but not WorldWideSoccer obviously.

When was the last time NCL developed a serious racer In-House ???

Since when does every genre have to be done in house? I’m sure all three big wigs lack at least a few genres or styles as a first party. But since you say “serious racer” as opposed to “realistic racer” I’ll say they cared enough to do F-Zero on the Cube, even if they invested in Sega for it (which was a great move and it paid off, Sega know their racers).

Oh SONY and SEGA have always mad games for the causal , the big diff is it wasn’t at the expense of the more serious gamer. Sony Soho could make all those wonderful EyeToy and Singstar series of games , while the others Teams made the more serious games.

That’s because their casual never caught on that much, if they had been so sucessful they’d sure do more of them.

The trouble with NCL is they just don’t operate is that way , and have to come up with rubbish with the Mario and Zelda team are buzy , we promise , while the other divisions make a Wii music or Wii sports II.

I think it’s clear they could make 50 Wii Sports games with the same resources it takes to do one good Zelda title, so it’s obvious what we’ll see more sequels of, it has nothing to do with being at the expense of any particular audience. They have delivered some of their popular franschises already anyway, Mario, Smash Bros, Zelda (even if it’s on the Cube, come on, the system was a commercial failure, the majority of the Wii owners never experienced it), Mario Kart, and I don’t think we have any reason to believe they’re not working on new sequels already, especially when they’ve announced such. Just because we didn’t see them @ E3 doesn’t mean much. It’s not like Sony showed much of God of War, a teaser FMV, great. I’d rather see Zelda in one or two years for the first time and it is the re-invention they have promised rather than see it tommorow looking like an expansion of Twilight Princess. Third parties fill in nicely while we wait.

Oh Big name titles there I must say .

You agree for FF, the others will be big upon release. I’ve mentioned more than 20 promising titles, many of them from big studios though, those were just picks

I agree Project Zero is simple the best horror game ever made, but I’m more looking forward to RE5

To me RE5 looks like RE4 HD, I hope they do more with it (like they said they may change controls to run and gun like Gears of War) because it’s not enough. It could have been almost the same experience on the Cube, the zombies AI is the same, the controls seem the same, they have the same animations and attacks and reactions to being shot, the teammate AI is just as dumb as ever, the breakable objects are identical, etc. The full game has to be more special than what they’ve shown because it’s a minor and only visual improvement over 4 so far. 4 was a revolution for the series, 5 seems underwhelming. But I’ll wait and see. If they make a PC port (WITH MOUSE SUPPORT THIS TIME) I’ll probably buy it anyway but I won’t miss it too much if not if the final game is like what we’ve seen.

Madden, Fifa , Grand Grand Turismo, Forza are all multi million sellers this gen , so the facts prove otherwise.

Yes, it proves they don’t recognise quality, buying a friggin demo like GT. I don’t think you can prove to me those purchases weren’t by the casual mainstream more than any hardcore gamer, unless we’re going to believe all the stupid fanboys that play every FPS out there or any game with tits and consider themselves hardcore. Nintendo have many multi million sellers you consider shit, that doesn’t make the people who bought those hardcore or serious gamers, you said it yourself. Again, I thought we established mass popularity doesn’t mean all that much, or was that only for when it suits you?

I say we have you just refuse to accept it . Tell me this Michel Ancel is a big fan of the Wii isn’t he , yet if you want to play Beyond Good and Evill II a 360 or PS3 is what you need.

I say we have done the opposite and you refuse to accept it. Mitchel can be a fan of whatever he wants, let’s wait and see how well it sells to those oh so hardcore serious gamers, maybe it will be a commercial failure like the first and he makes the next on Wii, if it doesn’t kill off the series for good this time, ha…

They jumped ship simply because of the storage medium

Keep reading those tarot cards.

Which version would people play , which versions are the most talked about ?. And of course COD V is using the number 4 engine seeing as Treyarch are making it , while Infinity Ward work on the new engine, its how been .

I’ll play the PC version like I did with 4, unless it’s only on console where I’ll get it for Wii if they’ve done as good job as on COD3 port. I know how they work, I’m just saying since 5 uses the engine of 4 and it gets on Wii then it’s obvious it wasn’t a matter of being too low end for it, there were other reasons behind not porting that. Again, COD3 was very well received thanks to the controls.

You’ve played those games, my that’s impressive FF IV only just come out and I never knew SC is already out

Eh, you mentioned Resident Evil 5 you know, I don’t think you’ve played that. I double checked to make sure you didn’t only list already released titles, so there

This coming out late never stopped the Super Nintendo being hail as a al time classic from day one , the X-Box came out late , but that remains my best console from last gen.

And I’m sure the Wii will remain the best console for many people by the time next gen arrives. It is for me and it’s not been at its best for sure since there are many more upcoming titles that I want than the titles I already own (though again I’ve yet to buy all the notables). The Wii is already hailed as a classic too, it’s sure had a gigantic impact to the industry, you simply disagree with it, heh.

[Solo_Wing]

I think this thread has more or less run its course. It seems to me that you both have different priorities when it comes to games, but the argument has veered into a more personal confrontation.

I would appreciate it if you could round off your arguments in a civil fashion and then I’ll close the topic.