Give me one good reason for them to be alien.
And stop winking.People will think you actually know something!
I think that there are no evidences showing that the ancients were aliens. The only strange things are the weird forms of some drones and the strangeness of their architeture.
Didn’t we mostly agree that the game doesn’t take place on Earth?
Then they are all aliens to us even the ones we think of as “humans” 
Ok just kidding heh…
I don’t think Abadd says they are aliens or anything like that.
However we can only ASSUME that the ancients are not aliens, we can NEVER know, they could just be humanoids and that’s why drones have a humanoid form as well.
That’s the whole point really, we will likely never KNOW and that’s part of what makes it interesting to think of all the possibilities. We can all say “this sounds better for this and that reason” but ultimately we can’t KNOW. Only ASSUME it.
And just for the record I like to believe they are “humans” as well 
As Alex said, the point isn’t that there is evidence of the Ancients being aliens: it’s that there is no evidence of them actually being human. Not hard evidence, anyway. All the instances of hard evidence in the English games are apparently things added in translation. (As far as I’m aware.)
We know so little about the Ancient Age as it is, that it’s very hard to come to any conclusions about these things. As I said before, I would much prefer it if the Ancients were human, but I’m at least open to the possibility that they may not be.
Factual Gehn is not beaten!!!
Azel looks very human and she was created by the ancients, this suggests that either they were human(at least in appearance) or that there were humans around for them to copy.
[quote=“Bible 1 (4/8)”]Everything we see with our eyes,
with one lone exception, was
created in this time. Water,
plants, and beasts, became
provisions for humans. The ruins
were homes for Gods and humans.
Monsters were servants of people.[/quote]
I think that says it all. Even though Bibles aren’t the most accurate source of information, I want to think that the ancients were more than human. Kind of like the evolutionary difference between humans and apes.
Does anyone know what the Japanese Bible 1 says?
Somehow in the games I got the impression that this “bible” had a twisted sense of the facts, either on purpose cos of some of the current humans wanting the rest people to believe in that religion for whatever reason (maybe just to be easily controllable and ripped off their money easy heh) or the Ancients themselves had warped facts in such a way to make themselves appear as Gods even tho they weren’t back in the Ancient Age and that this ambition of theirs carried itself even to this time through religions that spawned cos of little bits of info ppl found without ofcourse knowing the whole truth…
Maybe it’s just me but in the same way i just knew the divine visitor was me when it was shown in the end of game I also knew this religion was wrong since the Ancients obviously weren’t Gods. They may still be humans, poor todays’ humans cannot possibly comprehend what they are dealing with and since good ol Ancients made sure that everything they left behind shows they are Gods (even our good ol Heresy Dragon named Heresy Dragon lol, that means he goes against the Gods by being a heretic…) then I think it’s not so surprising that religions have spawned off of the info ppl have found. Surely the wonders of the Ancient technology propably seem as “magic” or “miracles” if you will to the common folk…
I’d say the PDS bibles definitely have to be taken with a pinch of salt. Although it’s possible that they vaguely depict the fall of the Ancient Age and the plight of the current human race, I think it’s likely that they’re more fiction than fact. Even if the “history” in the Bibles started off as truth, the ten thousand years since the Ancient Age - during which time the story would have been passed down through thousands of generations - must have taken a toll on the facts. (That is, I think Team Andromeda are expecting us to take that for granted.)
It’s also possible that the Gods / Ancients discussed in that book were simply a past society of humans, and things had just got confused. In some old real-world religions, historical human figures often got promoted to a “divine” level and were later thought of as gods.
It’s possible that the Gods / Ancients in those PDS bibles were just a highly advanced race of humans who came into contact with a much more primitive society. Perhaps, not comprehending the Ancients’ technology, those less advanced humans may have assumed the Ancients to be gods. They may have misunderstood the Ancients’ power to create life in the same way that a primitive man might mistake a gun for a magical staff. Those bibles could be the record of a much more primitive human society meeting the Ancients.
[quote=“Lance”]I’d say the PDS bibles definitely have to be taken with a pinch of salt. Although it’s possible that they vaguely depict the fall of the Ancient Age and the plight of the current human race, I think it’s likely that they’re more fiction than fact. Even if the “history” in the Bibles started off as truth, the ten thousand years since the Ancient Age - during which time the story would have been passed down through thousands of generations - must have taken a toll on the facts. (That is, I think Team Andromeda are expecting us to take that for granted.)
It’s also possible that the Gods / Ancients discussed in that book were simply a past society of humans, and things had just got confused. In some old real-world religions, historical human figures often got promoted to a “divine” level and were later thought of as gods.
It’s possible that the Gods / Ancients in those PDS bibles were just a highly advanced race of humans who came into contact with a much more primitive society. Perhaps, not comprehending the Ancients’ technology, those less advanced humans may have assumed the Ancients to be gods. They may have misunderstood the Ancients’ power to create life in the same way that a primitive man might mistake a gun for a magical staff. Those bibles could be the record of a much more primitive human society meeting the Ancients.[/quote]
I’ve always thought that these bibles hold the truth to what happened in the Ancient Age, it’s just a matter of interpreting them correctly. People seem to think of them as “fiction” because it would mean the Ancients were gods instead of humans, but this may have had a very good reason. Something I never understood about the Uru records in PD Saga:
[quote]Report regarding the Light Wing. We have at last succeeded in
developing the ultimate form of the dragon. But it is more than a dragon. It is
a being far different… Something… perhaps even superior to
ourselves… A messenger of the Gods.[/quote]
Tell me, if these scientists were the Ancients (who thought of themselves as gods) that created the Light Wing, why would they consider it superior to themselves? It’s impossible to be superior to a god. And they even say it could be a “messenger of the Gods”. They couldn’t have meant it would be their messenger. The distinction between humans and the Gods seemed to already exist in the Ancient Age.
Quote from my previous post:
"…the Ancients themselves had warped facts in such a way to make themselves appear as Gods even tho they weren’t back in the Ancient Age and that this ambition of theirs carried itself even to this time through religions that spawned cos of little bits of info today’s humans found without ofcourse knowing the whole truth…"
Egyptians considered their Pharaohs(sp) Gods too, I don’t think the fact we see that God/Mortal separation in the Ancient age as well means that those Ancients were really Gods. It’s obvious the Ancients thought of themselves as Gods, and it’s also pretty much obvious they were the leaders of the world or atleast a leading faction so it’s only logical for their followers/servants to think of them as Gods too…
[quote=“D-Unit”]
[quote]Report regarding the Light Wing. We have at last succeeded in
developing the ultimate form of the dragon. But it is more than a dragon. It is
a being far different… Something… perhaps even superior to
ourselves… A messenger of the Gods.[/quote]
Tell me, if these scientists were the Ancients (who thought of themselves as gods) that created the Light Wing, why would they consider it superior to themselves? It’s impossible to be superior to a god. And they even say it could be a “messenger of the Gods”. They couldn’t have meant it would be their messenger. The distinction between humans and the Gods seemed to already exist in the Ancient Age.[/quote]
As far as I can tell, the Ancients weren’t literally refering to themselves as gods in that passage. Rather, they considered the Light Wing to be so perfect that they thought it must have come about through divine inspiration or intervention. They thought that the Light Wing design was a divine gift or blessing.
As you pointed out, the Ancients can’t be referring to themselves as Gods there, because they believed the “Gods’ messenger” - the Light Wing - to be superior to themselves. As far as I can remember, the Ancients never referred to themselves as Gods; that’s just something the later human societies have imposed onto them.
[quote=“Al3xand3r”]Quote from my previous post:
"…the Ancients themselves had warped facts in such a way to make themselves appear as Gods even tho they weren’t back in the Ancient Age and that this ambition of theirs carried itself even to this time through religions that spawned cos of little bits of info today’s humans found without ofcourse knowing the whole truth…"
Egyptians considered their Pharaohs(sp) Gods too, I don’t think the fact we see that God/Mortal separation in the Ancient age as well means that those Ancients were really Gods. It’s obvious the Ancients thought of themselves as Gods, and it’s also pretty much obvious they were the leaders of the world or atleast a leading faction so it’s only logical for their followers/servants to think of them as Gods too…[/quote]
That’s not what I mean. The creators of the Light Wing didn’t think they were Gods. How could a messenger of the Gods be superior to the Gods themselves? In fact, the creators of the Light Wing seemed to believe in Gods themselves.
[quote=“Lance”]As far as I can tell, the Ancients weren’t literally refering to themselves as gods in that passage. Rather, they considered the Light Wing to be so perfect that they thought it must have come about through divine inspiration or intervention. They thought that the Light Wing design was a divine gift or blessing.
As you pointed out, the Ancients can’t be referring to themselves as Gods there, because they believed the “Gods’ messenger” - the Light Wing - to be superior to themselves. As far as I can remember, the Ancients never referred to themselves as Gods; that’s just something the later human societies have imposed onto them.[/quote]
But what were those gods the scientists were refering too? And why would they consider the dragon a “messenger” of these Gods? Where the Ancients or some of them already “gods” in the Ancient Age?
I think those scientists were merely servants of the higher Ancients authority. As we know from other reports they did have to answer to someone and they did get their projects canceled and such meaning they weren’t in power but just employees of sorts to someone else. That someone else is whom I’m reffering to in my previous posts.
The fact that their project was cancelled seems strange to me. After all, would the Light Wing not be their greatest achievement? The cancellation of this project could have been out of fear. Perhaps this being could have posed a threat to the Gods they mentioned. These gods may have been Ancients that already resided into Sestren in the Ancient Age, controlling the Tower network through Sestren itself.
If you take into account the folklore of the Panzer world, more specifically the fact that its people regarded the Ancients as gods (Gash and the Zoah bible both regard them so), then we can fit the remaining pieces together.
The Ancients created the dragons, including the Light Wing, so these dragons were their messengers – messengers of the creators, of the gods.
Yeah.That always seemed very clear to me.
Man this series keeps getting more and more similar with the Legacy of Kain series.
[quote=“Geoffrey Duke”]
If you take into account the folklore of the Panzer world, more specifically the fact that its people regarded the Ancients as gods (Gash and the Zoah bible both regard them so), then we can fit the remaining pieces together.
The Ancients created the dragons, including the Light Wing, so these dragons were their messengers – messengers of the creators, of the gods.[/quote]
I can’t see how this could be true. Reading the Uru records bring me to this conclusion:
Scientists < Light Wing (messenger of the Gods) < Gods
How could the scientists be the Gods? If they were, they wouldn’t have called the Light Wing superior to themselves.
Isn’t a war tank superior to a human beeing?
martially speaking that is
The Ancients/scientists can be considered gods in a manner of speaking because they were capable of creating sentient lifeforms – the Ancients could even reshape the planet and build other dimensions with the aid of their advanced technology. Gash said that people believed the Ancients were gods, but they were in fact people who wielded god-like powers.
The Light Wing was “perhaps” superior to its creators (they weren’t sure), but they still created it. The way the logs state how the dragon was “perhaps even superior to ourselves” suggests it was a surprising thing – it wasn’t something they expected could be possible.
The Ancients were the gods depicted in the Zoah bible who left the planet after unleashing bio-weapons on humanity. As we know, the Ancients were the people who built the Towers, not gods.