That’s probably just it. I suggest you go out and actually talk to gay people. You might find them fun to be with.
One thing’s for sure Daz : I know 4 lesbian persons and about 6 gay persons.
5 of the guys have that kinky gay attitude thinking they are girls or at least “waving” their hands like such.
2 of the lesbians I know are more manly and always use their hair short,and they are VERY feminist.
I don’t hate them but somethings you see in movies about gay people ARE true.
I dunno, my gay friend is a lesbian, you couldn’t tell if you were just going by stereo-types.
And on that bombshell…
I have a way of pointing out the obvious, don’ I 
I’ve never known any gays or lesbians… that might be because where I live the word ‘gay’ is among the most common of all insults.
I think that’s kinda sad…
No one is going to hold your beliefs against you.
The people who vilify those who don’t welcome homosexuality with open arms are just as bad as any bigot. Besides, holding onto strong religious beliefs doesn’t automatically turn a person into the embodiment of intolerance. Respecting a difference of opinion shouldn’t be an impossible task.
I can subscribe that.I’m a praticant catholic and I consider myself very tolerant.
I’m referring to people who should tolerate religious beliefs. So what if some people take a moral stance against homosexuality? People are entitled to remain firm in such beliefs without being despised. Tolerance works both ways don’t you think?
It certainly should. I for instance, think homosexuality is wrong. That does not mean that I despise homosexuals and will hunt them down, I just think they’re making a bad choice. It is the same stance I’d have toward siblings who would want to hold a serious relationship, claiming that because they’re in love, that makes inbreeding A-OK. Sorry, both instances are wrong, and I stand firmly behind that belief.
Geoff :In a way yes.But there would be a thin,thin line between not tolerating something and discriminating.
- Homosexuality is not a choice. If you want to get scientific, experts believe it is due to chemical imbalance.
- Technically, there is nothing wrong with incest either, though I agree that I find it gross. However, many animals do it, and in (some) sense humans are animals. But to be brought up in a society where such things are looked down upon, I can conclude that these people also have chemical imbalances.
Sorry, I don’t buy the chemical imbalance bit. There are just as many “experts” who will state the exact opposite. Even then, it’s irrelevant. One must make a personal decision on whether or not to have sex. A chemical imbalance does not force you to copulate with a family member or someone of the same gender.
Thousands before you have tried to change my opinions on various subjects, and they all have failed. You are wasting your time.
Actually, scientists don’t know what “causes” homosexuality. Some believe it’s genetic. Some believe it’s chemical. Some believe it’s environmental. Some believe it’s just hard-wired into us as a species.
Either way, homosexuality isn’t something that is new, nor is it specific to humans. It’s here to stay.
The problem with the argument of “tolerance” towards those who are anti-gay is, well, flawed at best. If I were to, say, believe that (insert specific race of people here) were inferior to my specific race, would people “tolerate” that? Any time you have a belief (especially one that is as wide spread as the belief system created by Christianity and other religions that are anti-gay for the most part) that degrades another human being, it is no longer immune from criticism.
I mean, why doesn’t the rest of the world just tolerate the fact that Americans think they own the world? Why all the protests? Why can’t they just tolerate us?
Because it’s a wrong way of thinking.
Being gay is not a choice… it is WHO THEY ARE. Just as you or I enjoy the company of the opposite sex, they feel the same way about the same sex. It’s as simple as that. There is nothing more to it. And to persecute or discriminate against someone solely on that basis is not only wrong, it’s immoral and barbaric. In most free countries of the world, people claim to believe in equality. Yet, when it comes to gays, it suddenly becomes a different issue. Have we learned nothing in the last 50 years about discrimination? Did we learn nothing from the Holocaust or from Martin Luther King Jr.?
And as for the comment about the word “gay” being an insult being “okay,” that’s BS. Is it okay to call people racial slurs? We should all be aware that there may be someone who is gay present before calling something “gay” when you mean to say “stupid.” How would you feel if someone called Final Fantasy X-2 “(insert your nationality here)” when they meant to say it was stupid?
If you have your own belief system, fine. Continue believing in it. It doesn’t mean you’re right, and it doesn’t mean the rest of us have to follow your rules.
(The one thing Americans and the American government need to remember is SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE. We cannot devise laws (especially Amendments) based on religious beliefs. They must be based on equal rights for ALL.)
[quote=“Parn”]Sorry, I don’t buy the chemical imbalance bit. There are just as many “experts” who will state the exact opposite. Even then, it’s irrelevant. One must make a personal decision on whether or not to have sex. A chemical imbalance does not force you to copulate with a family member or someone of the same gender.
Thousands before you have tried to change my opinions on various subjects, and they all have failed. You are wasting your time.[/quote]
This goes back to my previous statement. Why SHOULDN’T they have the right to have sex with the person they are attracted to?? Isn’t having sex also a choice for heteros? No one is forcing them to have sex… yet it’s gasp socially acceptable!!! Oh my god! [/sarcasm]
Homosexuality is something that is prevalent in animals other than humans: monkeys, giraffes, dogs, etc. It’s also been prevalent in human society since ancient times. This isn’t a “choice.” It’s a part of us.
(And the incest thing is a separate issue… There is a much higher risk of birth defects forming when immediate family members have children. Also, I believe as long as it’s between two consenting ADULTS, people can have sex with whomever they choose.)
We seem to share similar views Abadd
Indeed. An enlightened one, if I might add.
The thing that always gets me is that the only arguments that I ever hear from anti-gay proponents is that it’s “wrong” or “against the Bible.”
There’s a problem with that… what makes it “wrong”? And what bearing does the teachings of the Bible have in a democratic society that purportedly has “freedom of religion”?
[quote=“Abadd”]Indeed. An enlightened one, if I might add.
The thing that always gets me is that the only arguments that I ever hear from anti-gay proponents is that it’s “wrong” or “against the Bible.”
There’s a problem with that… what makes it “wrong”? And what bearing does the teachings of the Bible have in a democratic society that purportedly has “freedom of religion”?[/quote]
That’s it. There’s absolutely nothing wrong with it. Problem is, the majority thinks so, and the majority=power
Power over sense. Same thing happened in the events predating the french revolution. The three estates (clergy, nobles, middle-class.) The clergy are the politicians that get amendments passed, the nobles are the majority, who support/influence the politicians. And the middle-class (back then) made up 98% of the population, and no matter what… they always lost, because of the votes of the other two estates.
Jump to conclusions much? Apparently throwing cheapshots comes with being self-proclaimed as “enlightened.” I apologize for not being qualified by thinking differently. I guess this is a good time to cry out that I’m being oppressed now?
Never said homosexuals can’t have sex. Never was implied, that’s your own line of thought from jumping to conclusions. I said I believe homosexuality is wrong. But I cannot force a couple to choose what they want to do in the bedroom.
Of course, someone always brings up the seperation of church and state issue… sorry folks, but it’s freedom of religion, not freedom from religion, as a good friend of mine put it. Religion very much is part of our government, and always has been. It’s absurd to think otherwise… everything ranging from our founding fathers, our courts, all the way to ceremonies in the military itself have connections to religion.