a baby dragon comes out of the crest in shelcoof and we see more babies at dermots ranch, they basically look the same except they are green.
and we see a baby dragon at the end of orta, it is yellow/white/green and almost transparent. it also has hands with little wing extensions.
what’s the deal?
and what’s the deal with mutant baby coolia? we hear the quote than defines elpis’ policy on mutants “it is an ominous light…”. this means that they have seen mutant coolia before with the glowing light in the throat. what could this mean about the heresy program? were all the baby coolias that were killed potential dragons?
lagi was the only one born with wings and was also the only one possessed by the heresy, but you don’t need wings to shoot arrows of light out of your bio-luminary oscillator…
it seemed like elpis had dealt with mutant glowing coolia pups for years, but the heresy couldn’t have been continually trying to make a dragon for years because shelcoof would have been called in faster…
could it be… that coolia, being one of the few domesticated creatures and being quite accustomed to being ridden… are the mutant descendents of dragons?
It’s always seemed to me that the Heresy Program must have entered into and started mutating those other mutant Coolias, the ones that turned up at Elpis before Lagi’s time. Then the Heresy Program was just repeatedly set back by the superstitious villagers killing them over and over again; otherwise it’d seem like a bit of a coincidence (i.e. Coolias randomly mutating and growing dragon-like features in the same village where the Heresy Program would eventually manifest itself in a Coolia that it would mutate and give dragon-like features).
Shelcoof was only activated when Sestren noticed that the Coolia had manifested itself in Lagi, though; the other mutant Coolias were apparently being killed just after birth, so it’d make sense if Sestren wasn’t able to detect the dragon until it actually started to successfully grow. We really can’t be sure how long Elpis had been troubled by that specific kind of mutant Coolia, too.
But yeah, that’s certainly crossed my mind too. All mutated monsters originated from an actual pure-type (or apparently a combination of pure-types which became able to breed and interbred), so this would make perfect sense.
So if you were thinking along the lines that maybe all Coolia might be occasionally born with the bioluminary oscillator mutation because of their origins; yeah, that’d add up. I’d say the explanation that the Heresy Program caused each Coolias’ mutations (but that Coolias still originated from dragons) would still be a valid alternative though, especially looking at the memory orbs from PDS.
In the Zwei memory orb, Sestren (well, Team Andromeda) thought it was relevant to show us the “Too many mutants are born these days” dialogue, and that FMV from the death of that earlier mutant Coolia. As those memory cells were intended as a concise history of the Heresy Program’s past existence, it’d seem to be suggested that the Heresy Program was the reason why too many mutants were born “those days”.
[quote=“Lance Way”]
It’s always seemed to me that the Heresy Program must have entered into and started mutating those other mutant Coolias, the ones that turned up at Elpis before Lagi’s time. Then the Heresy Program was just repeatedly set back by the superstitious villagers killing them over and over again; otherwise it’d seem like a bit of a coincidence (i.e. Coolias randomly mutating and growing dragon-like features in the same village where the Heresy Program would eventually manifest itself in a Coolia that it would mutate and give dragon-like features).[/quote]
I was thinking that the Heresy Program would have been further on with mutating Lagi before he was actually born; as in, the other Coolias’ arms would have eventually become wings if they hadn’t been put to death. Sort of like the way that some babies are born with more hair than others - just different stages of development.
Loth became feverish. She was near
delivery, so I had to take care of
her overnight. If I allowed her to
die, I would be punished for sure.
It’s not like I could really do
anything for her, they just needed
a caretaker. My bad luck.
26th day of first month
1/2
Unfortunately, Loth passed away.
My father whipped me and sent me
to bed hungry. But none of that
mattered.
I lied about the baby. I told them
it was stillborn, but it actually
was sleeping quietly in the barn.
2/2
I didn’t mean to break the code…
Only, I couldn’t kill him…
Because Lagi had…
A pair of wings
Lagi is 24hours old.The other coolias seem about the same age…
wether or not the heresy program was creating the other mutant coolia pups, it seems like when it possessed lagi that jump started the transformation…
or again it may be that the other coolia pups never were going to grow wings, they just had the BLO as a throw back to their dragon ancestry… if that is indeed the case.
lance, do you think the heresy program could be the source of all of the mutations of all creatures on the planet? we don’t know when mutations began occuring in the grand history of the planet but my guess is that it was some time after the fall of the ancients. it is entirely possible that it was occuring before, but from the image painted of that society it just seems like it’s supposed to be a perfect, flawless utopia… aside from the denizens.
But as I said Gehn, I was talking about Lagi reaching a slightly further stage of development before he was actually born; while he was still in the womb.
I also get the impression that the mutations only started some time after the Ancient Age, but I’m not sure about the Heresy Program causing them all. The mutations seem to have been going on for thousands of years, as there are apparently more different kinds of mutated monsters than pure-type ones now; so the Program would really have had to get about a bit, and have had some weird motivation that we don’t know about.
The Heresy Program seemed to be mutating Lagi into a very specific form, too; he was turning him into a dragon, whereas most mutated monsters seem to be the outcome of really random mutations.
Yeah, something along those lines; although I don’t expect that he was immensely late being born or anything, as for all we know it might have only taken an extra few days of mutation to turn floppy Coolia arms into wings. On the other hand, maybe the Heresy Program was just getting particularly good at manipulating the genetics of Coolias (from its earlier attempts), and it just managed to get a bit further on with Lagi’s mutation before he was born.
The fact that a lot of the mutants showed the blue green light suggested to me that the light doesnt show the presence of the Heresy Program. Also I believe that mutants had previously been allowed to grow up before, Lundi says that the light “is an ominous light” and isnt it implied or said at some point that when the mutants brought bad fortune on the place that raised them?
Another point is that the mutants seem to have been born for years(maybe > 20), the way that Lundi phrases the villagers code suggests that he was not alive when they started it, e.g. “it is said”. He doesnt seem to know or recall the event that started the code.
I agree with Megatherium that Coolia might be descendants of dragons, I cannot see another reason why the Heresy would choose a Coolia. Choosing one in Lundi’s town was also highly risky, it is very likely that if it was someone other than Lundi birthing Lagi, then he would have been killed. This would suggest that Heresy would have tried to mutate lots of Coolia to have a chance of one survivng although this seems a waste when he could have just mutated a wild one and found a rider in a similar way to PDSaga. I can only conclude that the Heresy needed Lundi specifically in some way, otherwise why take such big risks or waste so much effort mutating Coolia where they were most likely to be killed?
Well it is true that by the way that Lundi says it it seems like Mutant Coolias aren’t necessarily only from Elpis.So it might mean that it’s pretty common in the PanDra world…
And I don’t think the Program would be searching for farms all over the world…
Meaning that Lagi is the only TRULLY special Coolia…
Killing all mutants was the village’s code, not mutant coolias in particular. The villagers just killed any mutants regardless of how harmless they were.
But if there is only one truly special Coolia why choose Lagi? As I said in my previous post, Lagi was born in a place where he was extremely likely to die, if Heresy had only one choice of a Coolia surely he would have picked a safer place unless he had no time or he specifically needed Lundi.
It’s indeed said that the mutation is an “ominous light” and also that mutants are a bad omen; but then the people of the Frontier are made out to be very superstitious. It seems possible that they just jumped to those conclusions, along with a lot of the other odd beliefs they had.
Although it’s clear that mutants have been born for long enough that it had become the law to kill them, it’s unclear when those specific kinds of mutant Coolias first started turning up. Mutation in creatures seems to be a common event in the PD world, after all.
I thought that was quite mysterious, too. Perhaps it was simply unable to travel very far in its bodiless state?
But there was a quote regarding the light that a mutant Coolia omits, there was obviously something special about the Coolia for the village, maybe an event in the past that brought the village bad luck or something. Of course it could just have been a plot set up to parallel the bad luck brought by Lagi(the village’s total destruction) but as fans we have to look for deeper meanings
That is so if you take the words very literally.However the only mutants we see are khourieats and plus there is the “blue withe light” beeing mentioned.
I’m not saying that they wouldn’t kill other mutants, I’m just saying their law dind’t predict that.
Also I always felt that the dragon riders were chosen from birth or something like htta so Lundi could be more than just coicidental…
Even if it was just aimed at Coolias though, it could simply be referring to normal random mutations that occured in baby Coolias. Just in regards to the whole “ominous light” thing, we should probably bear in mind that the Panzer Dragoon Zwei translation is fairly (even notoriously) innaccurate in places. Any of the dialogue we’ve been given may not really reflect the intended message.
I’m not sure… Kyle really didn’t seem to be chosen from birth; he looked more like the emergency replacement. I’ve always got the impression that Lagi was so fond of Lundi simply because he was the one who let him live.
[quote=“Lance Way”]
Even if it was just aimed a Coolias though, it could simply be referring to normal random mutations that occured in baby Coolias. Just in regards to the whole “ominous light” thing, we should probably bear in mind that the Panzer Dragoon Zwei translation is fairly (even notoriously) innaccurate in places. Any of the dialogue we’ve been given may not really reflect the intended message.[/quote]
I would be suprised if the ominous light part was a translation error, it fits very well with the storyline, implying that letting the mutant live brought a bad omen on the village. Also the way that the light glows on in the darkness of the end of the intro suggests that it was intended to be of significance.
