[quote=“Daz”]
workers and pets :)[/quote]
Or better yet, food!
Actually, SegaTecToy brings up a very good question. Perhaps you should discuss more.
Gods need a reference in order to eb considered Gods.They need weeker beeing to rule like Gods.
That would make them awefully vain.
There was probably a good reason why they kept humanity alive. I like to believe that the humans would have served as host bodies for the consciousness of the Ancients who resided in Sestren, but there are other possibilities, and Ghen has a very good point. The Ancients can only be gods when there are people that worship them. If there’s nobody to worship them, they wouldn’t be gods anymore, no matter how powerful they are. For that reason alone the Ancients would have wanted humanity to survive.
[quote=“Geoffrey Duke”]
That would make them awefully vain.[/quote]
Who?The lesser people?
I think that’s probably the best explanation.
[quote=“GehnTheBerserker”]
That would make them awefully vain.
Who?The lesser people?[/quote]
No, those who call themselves gods.
Actually, there’s flaw in that logic.
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The people of the current age could consider the Ancients “gods” because of the technological powers that they possessed. They might not have been “gods” during their own time.
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You assume that the Ancients’ only purpose was to consider themselves gods. If you take that away, what use are the “lesser” beings, assuming that there were “lesser beings”?
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Gods are vain. Look at any religion ancient or modern. All gods want people to do is worship them in exactly the way they want. How is that not vain?
I wans’t making a point.I was just brainstoming here.
I don’t think the Ancients were gods.
Then why was the Heresy dragon called the Heresy dragon?
I agree though. It’s just that the ancients are considered gods by the current inhabitants of the Panzer world, and dragons are considered messengers of those gods. Then actual ancients describe one of their dragons a messenger of the gods. What are we supposed to believe?
Even if the ancients weren’t gods, they did play god when they started creating life.
Assuming Abadd’s masters weren’t human, needing humans around to remind them of how godly they were is more than a little vain IMO.
[quote=“Abadd”]Actually, there’s flaw in that logic.
- The people of the current age could consider the Ancients “gods” because of the technological powers that they possessed. They might not have been “gods” during their own time.[/quote]
I agree, but if we don’t know who the Ancients were, we can’t be sure about their true motives either. The scientists that created Azel and the Lightwing didn’t seem to believe they were Gods, and it almost seems they believed in Gods themselves. But were they the Ancients that ended the Ancient Age?
The very meaning of the words “the will of the Ancients” implies that they wanted to control the world, without opposition. Could a being that was more or less equal to a human unleash such a destruction on humanity? The more evolved and superior to humans they were, the less problem they would have had with this (for example, how much problem do humans have with killing ants?). And if they were equal, doesn’t this mean they were at least acting as Gods, even if they didn’t do so intentionally?
If the Ancients didn’t consider themselves as Gods, they may have had “good” intentions when they ended the Ancient Age. But perhaps they didn’t look at their plan from other people’s viewpoint, convinced as they were their plan was the only right thing to do. If this was the case, we would have to know what they hoped to achieve, before we can fully judge their actions.
The will of the ancients is something that would persist in spite of their abscence. People have a habbit of immortalising themselves through their creations.
ah common, as if the orta team truly “knew” who or what the acients were. hey, the killed them away story wise as well as lagi, because they had no clue what to do with them.
Abadd you are just teasing us to check how much we already “know” about the ancients, what are your sinister plans? =)
Hey you are right LC! And I figured it out! They are creating PD RPG 2 and they just want to see how much we know about these things so that they don’t accidentally create any plot holes and inconsistencies 
Yayyyyy we are so smart 
Something just dawned on me…
’Let us create man in our own image and likeness’ - If anyone has read Zecharia Sitchin’s work, you know what I’m talking about. It’s kinda ironic how the Panzer Dragoon universe has such a similiar history to our own. Coincidence? I think not.
I was thinking, could it be that the ancients were percieved as God-like because of the difference in living standards?
Normal people could be living in slums underground, working the huge machines needed to produce drones and the like, while the inventors of these machines and their families could be living above ground, lazing around all day.
Just an idea I got from watching Metropolis
[quote=“Daz”]I was thinking, could it be that the ancients were percieved as God-like because of the difference in living standards?
Normal people could be living in slums underground, working the huge machines needed to produce drones and the like, while the inventors of these machines and their families could be living above ground, lazing around all day.
Just an idea I got from watching Metropolis[/quote]
It’s perfectly possible, maybe metropolis was one of the inspirations of the game’s creators. A lower, ignorant, class being controlled by people with acess to all that technology could develop some kind of exagerated admiration and start to worship the upper class.
But I still think that the ancients are considered ‘gods’ only by the people of the modern age after they discovered the ruins and the technological might of the ancients right after they developed some organization after their near demise.
i don’t think the ancients saw themselves as gods. they were a ruthlessly efficient race, boosting your self esteem through making weaker creatures worship you is a waste of energy.
i also never thought that PD took place on earth, though the mars theory sounds feasible, i don’t think it matters to the devs.
perhaps the divine visitor holds a clue to where PD takes place. i mean, we were the divine visitors, right? divinity kind of implies that we are beings from “another place”. we may or may not seem all that amazing to ourselves but in saga we had the ability to bring life back to edge simply through our interest. i don’t want to get too specific because i doubt the devs have analyzed the idea this deeply.
but say, just as an example of the possibilities, the PD universe takes place in a world before our own. we are in the afterlife of panzer dragoon. that would place PD on something like another plane of existence.
i really don’t want to elaborate any further because i think i’ll lose you, i just wanted to express that- unless the concensus is that the divine visitor was a meaningless gimmick, or is actually a terrible mistranslation of “skilled player”- it is a connection between that world an our own which does not seem to be in allignment with PD taking place on this earth (regardless of the time), in another galaxy, or even in this universe.
I think the creators might be tempted to rewrite who and what the Divine Visitor actually was for a future game…
What I want to know is, if the the Divine Visitor was just the player (which it was), then why did Edge die at the end of the game when it left his body?
Is the Panzer world and our own world supposed to co-exist?
Oh, and why was the Divine Visitor called the Divine Visitor even in the Ancient Age? The theme of gods or of humans/ancient ones playing god is undeniable.
The DV was called “the one from the outside world” by the Heresy Dragon if I’m not mistaken, I think that means that our world has nothing to do with the PD world. Imo it was just a way that TA thought of to literally put the player in the game. You enter the PD world by use of the saturn/control pad/tv/whatever else and in the game world you have those powers because in the PD world you are a “Divine Visitor” and not just the “ordinary human” you are in your own world, I don’t think theres much more than this to it. And you still don’t know if Edge died because the DV left him Geoffrey 
In fact when I presented thar argument in other threads “why would he die after the DV left him” every one of you agreed that was the case without really backing it up, just saying it as a fact, what makes you wonder about it now?
Regardless. whether the DV is the player or not it can still posses the same “powers” or whatever you wanna call it, it’s only a game, and it’s not our world, it’s the PD world and in there we are called the DV for a reason, and that’s because we aren’t as ordinary as “in” here