I posted something simular to this on the old forums, but I’ve expanded it quite a lot. Break it apart please
Edit: Sorry about the length, but I needed it to be that long to cover all my points.
I posted something simular to this on the old forums, but I’ve expanded it quite a lot. Break it apart please
Edit: Sorry about the length, but I needed it to be that long to cover all my points.
Nice new avatar you have there.
Your interpretation of the Bible texts is more accurate than any of us first imagined. Amazing how we dismissed what was written within them all those years ago. To me, they seemed too vague to hold any truth, but I was proved wrong!
The ancients leaving the human world falls in line with other ideas, too. Who knows what really happened to the them.
Nice theory Solo Wing. It explains a lot of the events the books describe. The books of Zoah probably hold the truth about the Ancient Age, it’s just a matter of interpreting them correctly. One thing I noticed when reading your theory:
Actually I don’t think that this means that they considered themselves gods. Here’s what the scientist says:
“But it is more than a dragon. It is a being far different… Something… perhaps even superior to ourselves… A messenger of the Gods.”
If a messenger from the gods is superior to themselves, how could they be the gods? I think this actually means that these scientists believed in gods themselves. Also these records seem to have been written shortly before the end of the Ancient Age, since they had created the Lightwing and Azel. So why do they speak of a “later generation” inheriting their works? Shouldn’t they, perhaps the most brilliant scientists of the Ancient Age, have gone in to hibernation too, so that they could continue their work themselves? The book of Genesis mentions that “the ruins were homes for Gods and humans”. Was there already something in the Ancient Age, perhaps inside Sestren, that could have been considered to be godlike even to the citizens of the Ancient Age?
The ancients engineered the Light Wing which therefore makes them its creator – its god. “God” as used by the ancients is a typical metaphor for the ability to create life.
Remember, these same “gods” left the world and planned to return one day. Sounds like the ancients to me, unless there are actually gods out there and the humans were the ancients who destroyed everything and paid the ultimate price for it.
Well that’s where I disagree. Suppose you were an Ancient and you think you’re a God. You create the Light Wing and realize that you have created a being superior to yourself. This would mean that the Lightwing is superior to a god which doesn’t make sense.
I’m not saying that these gods weren’t the Ancients who planned to return. The fact is that we don’t know who the Ancients were. The Ancients who were going to return were perhaps different from the scientists who left this recording. They could have both been citizens of the Ancient Age, which would make them both Ancients.
That is actually a very good point. People in the Ancient Age also did write records of the Divine Visitor (but that’s another story), indicating that they believed in a higher power. I’ll modify my theory for this.
Who knows what devilry the Ancients who went into hibernation had in mind.
I just updated it:
Hmm…
Nice thoughts you put in there.
I got a little theory : the Ancients ahd their plan after having enough fo the war - they would wait (in a safe place ?dead?) that the monsters literally destroyed the world and then the Towers (programmed by the Ancients) would restore the world as they knew it.Then they would return.
Now the Heresy program could : be a rebel progarm introduced to violate the Ancients plan or maybe the Ancients realised that the Towers were no longer of need…
The drones would be responsible to bring the Ancients back into the world…
Did that sound silly? :?
The ancient creators of the Light Wing said that as if it was a surprising thing. They were a very conceited bunch of people. Obviously. However, there was no limit to what they could accomplish.
The Light Wing was their creation, not the product of divine beings.
[quote=“Geoffrey Duke”]
The Light Wing was their creation, not the product of divine beings.[/quote]
What exactly did they create? “The Light Wing” - is that a dragon or an extension of a dragon? When you assemble all of the D units, Lagi morphs into the Light Wing, however he is still Lagi, all the D units did was give him the form light wing. So my question is - Did the scientists create a dragon called Light Wing, or did they just make a new form for an existing dragon.
This question seems quite significant because it would answer whether the ancients could create dragons as well as normal monsters. Dragons seem a huge increase in power over all the other ancients creatures so I wouldnt have thought it possible for scientists to create them as they did other creatures. What do you think?
The ancients did indeed engineer dragons as bio-weapons of unmatched power. The Light Wing was incomplete but their research was split up and scattered so that someone else might make use of it. Lagi did just that.
[quote=“GehnTheBerserker”]Hmm…
Nice thoughts you put in there.
I got a little theory : the Ancients ahd their plan after having enough fo the war - they would wait (in a safe place ?dead?) that the monsters literally destroyed the world and then the Towers (programmed by the Ancients) would restore the world as they knew it.Then they would return.
Now the Heresy program could : be a rebel progarm introduced to violate the Ancients plan or maybe the Ancients realised that the Towers were no longer of need…
The drones would be responsible to bring the Ancients back into the world…
Did that sound silly? :?[/quote]
No doubt warring nations wrought havoc upon the world, but I believe the Towers were always meant to cleanse humanity. Humans were the reason for the necessity to terraform the planet in the first place.
I think the Ancinets were pretty sure that the monster would carry out the job well enough…
[quote=“Geoffrey Duke”]
The ancient creators of the Light Wing said that as if it was a surprising thing. They were a very conceited bunch of people. Obviously. However, there was no limit to what they could accomplish.
The Light Wing was their creation, not the product of divine beings.[/quote]
The Light Wing was indeed the Ancients’ creation. I’m not questioning that. And yes they were surprised about the Light Wing. They had created a being superior to themselves, so advanced that it could perhaps be considered as a messenger of the Gods. I know what you mean Geoffrey but my question is why would they consider themselves as Gods if there is a being superior to themselves?
Because they were very creative and powerful.There can still be a more powerful God
[quote=“D-Unit”]
[quote=“Geoffrey Duke”]
The ancient creators of the Light Wing said that as if it was a surprising thing. They were a very conceited bunch of people. Obviously. However, there was no limit to what they could accomplish.
The Light Wing was their creation, not the product of divine beings.[/quote]
The Light Wing was indeed the Ancients’ creation. I’m not questioning that. And yes they were surprised about the Light Wing. They had created a being superior to themselves, so advanced that it could perhaps be considered as a messenger of the Gods. I know what you mean Geoffrey but my question is why would they consider themselves as Gods if there is a being superior to themselves?[/quote]
They said it was “perhaps even superior” to themselves; they weren’t sure. That would indeed be surprising if they considered themselves gods.
If the ancients were gods, or the gods the Zoah texts refer to (which is almost certain), the Light Wing was therefore their messenger. A messenger of the ancients/gods – a messenger of the people who created it.
Plus, do you believe an ancient would possess an intellect superior to that of Sestren, a mere creation? Of course the ancients created entities superior to themselves. Human inventiveness has a habit of conjuring up our own demise.
I’m just considering the possibility that these scientists that created the Light Wing were not part of those that went into hibernation. The Institute ordered them to delete all records concerning the project. Why? If they were equal to gods, why did they fear that project then? Surely the ultimate dragon would have been their greatest weapon. Instead they considered it to be a renegade project. Perhaps because this dragon could be a danger to the Gods?
There’s no doubt these scientists were a part of the same group of people known as the ancients, who went into hibernation (in my mind anyway). And I’m assuming they all went into hibernation. Their logs were found in the Uru labs and they speak of manipulating drones in all manner of ways. As we know, drones were slaves built by the ancients to serve the ancients.
I don’t know why they were forced to abandon their research on the Light Wing. Maybe a bio-engineered creature that could think for itself wasn’t what the ancients wanted. In the very least they wanted loyal slaves, intelligent or not. Maybe that wasn’t something that could be ensured in the case of the “superior” Light Wing if it had ever become a reality.
“I’m just considering the possibility that these scientists that created the Light Wing were not part of those that went into hibernation.”
Not every single Ancient went into hybernation, they had hierarchies too a lot like humans* (if they werent humans themselves even)* possibly, I assume only the “leaders” went into hybernation, the rest were expendable workers to them…peons I suppose…Those ppl that created the Light Wing were “just” scientists that took orders from someone else (and that someone else could order them to stop making the Light Wing) much like in today’s society, no? :))
I’d say only leaders and ppl the leaders needed went into hybernation. Perhaps even a bunch of “peons” in order to make their new society with them as the start of it…