The Divine Visitor conundrum (beware minor Orta spoilers)

I’m glad Smilebit made the Azel/Edge love plotline an official part of the Panzer Dragoon story arc. Azel never loved Edge in the Japanese version of PD Saga, only Craymen, which is suprising to say the least.

W00t!!! I know it has a shitty translation but the plot can’t be different.

I mean how could it?Or are you joking/sarcasm in any way?! X_O :stuck_out_tongue:

[quote=“GehnTheBerserker”]W00t!!! I know it has a shitty translation but the plot can’t be different.

I mean how could it?Or are you joking/sarcasm in any way?! X_O :P[/quote]

The translation was actually very accurate. The translater added the Azel/Edge love plotline to the final departure scene in the Tower.

Read the last paragraph of my drones summary.

Firstly, you can’t know how tall the chasm was, and secondly you can’t tell for how long he was in the water, it didn’t seem that long to me…Plus he was unconcious, the body does stop trying to breathe when underwater until it absolutelly needs to and since he was unconcious he wasn’t using the oxygen he had held fast at all (the less functions you do the less oxygen used, the more you can hold your breath as we all know)
Anyway I never said the divine visitor didn’t exist, I said *“by yourself or by someone’s aid, you have survived it anyway.” *My point is, why would you die just because your savior (in this case the DV) left you later…
And you must realize that you are saying the ancients’ bodies that were in hybernation wouldn’t be in good condition after so much time but you are still saying that the DV healed crushed bones and a shotgun blast? if they could heal that then they could heal any hybernation defects as well…And why would the DV pick a guy which was shot AND had his bones crushed and not one of the other guys that were just shot therefore possibly easier to heal…So isn’t there a possibility his bones weren’t crushed and the shot wasn’t lethal after all? Don’t say what you believe say if there is the possibility…Anyone can believe what he wants but you can still accept there might be a chance things were different, since it’s not something we saw we can’t be 100% sure about a theory we think of…
Also: Saying he didn’t die because the DV left him doesn’t mean I believe he didn’t die at all, and saying Edge could be alive, is just accepting the possibility, not believing that he really is alive…However if he died in Sestren space why didn’t Azel find his body but instead never found anythin of him except for his DNA data? Not even data showing her he is dead? Or she would have mentioned to Orta that her father is dead for sure…Don’t you think that’s an information worth of telling your daughter?

PS: I never started a flame war or insulted anyone in the way you have (or is “chill” an insult now since u were hostile after I told you to do that?) or was unfair so plz I’ll ask you again Gehn: don’t refer to me…If you wanna continue this make an off topic thread atleast and write anythin u want(not that I’m going to reply to it or anythin, but it’s better than turning this thread off topic as well)

Edge was never found and no one heard from him again. He is dead to us. Even Azel couldn’t find him alive. Now we have to wonder why. The DV was keeping Edge alive while it remained within his body. After the DV left Edge, he never returned to his world.

If a hibernating body is disturbed in any way the whole thing may not live very long. If the mind was stored elsewhere such an accident poses no problem. I doubt a Divine Visitor could regenerate a rotten corpse.

I guess the Divine Visitor chose Edge because he was perfectly suited to the task. Are you trying to suggest Edge was uninjured but chosen to be a host anyway because the DV couldn’t heal wounds to begin with? Edge could not have survived the fall. The DV brought his still body back to life upon entering it.

Lagi would not have allowed Edge to die inside the flowing energy tunnels of Sestren if he was still alive. Saying the DV was just the player means Edge never died when the two split off into two. Meaning he was still alive. He wasn’t alive though, otherwise Lagi would have flown him out of the place.

Azel doesn’t specify what shape the ingredients she used to mother Orta took. Finding Edge’s body is well within reason, however.

She said her efforts were fruitless, that shows she didn’t find him at all, dead or alive.
And again she WOULD have told Orta that her father was dead if she had found him…
Edge could have found a way out of sestren himself or with Lagi (we just see that he flies over Gash, we never see if he is with a rider or not), or he could be mortally wounded from the last battles (again perhaps hinting that the DV couldn’t heal all those wounds you talk about so his wounds weren’t as bad as you think) or just too exhausted to make it alive and Lagi just took him somewhere with him (perhaps to his next hybernation place to rest with his last rider…) outside Sestren space which is why Azel never really found him…
And no I didn’t mean that the DV could not heal, just perhaps not to the extend you make it be…crushed bones/shot/drowned…And since he healed Edge (a lot or a little) why would Edge die after that? DV or no DV he was still healed, and his mind was still working (or there would be no need to explain him anything in the end if it wasn’t and he was just a vessel for the DV) so why should he die when he has been fully revitalised just because the DV leaves him? It doesn’t make sense…
For someone who is so eager to believe Edge could never survive that fall, you are way too eager to believe that there is an entity that can heal such fatal wounds as the ones you speak of, and again only have the person whom was healed live for however long his healer residents inside him and then after they separate he suddenly dies…why?He was fully revitalised why would he die just because the DV left him? That’s what I refuse to believe, that Edge died just because the DV left him, not that he can really be dead.

I don’t believe in an entity that doesn’t exist. We see the DV merge with Edge. We see Edge miraculously survive a bullet to/through the chest and a hell of a long fall. We see it all happen before our very eyes.

Azel would not have given up until she found Edge. It was only at the “end” of her “fruitless searches” she engineered Orta. Azel found something. Are we talking a hair fibre floating in Sestren, scanned DNA data, or a corpse?

If Edge were alive he’d be the first to rescue his own daughter don’t you think?

I am not questioning the DV’s existence, and I am not questioning that Edge really is dead now (even tho there could be a possibility of this not being true), I am questioning the reason (and perhaps place) he died.
If the DV healed him then why would he die when the DV left him? He was still fully healed, there is no reason for him to die because of that…or is there? His body was fully healed, his mind was working (or else why explain him what happened in the end) so there is NO reason to die JUST because the DV left him…

If only Abadd (the poster) was here he could confirm that Edge died in that fall…

Tsk tsk…

Anyways Geoff I’m curious to see what you are trying to say…
Reading the drone report now…

Who knows? Since Edge dying in Sestren is almost certainly a fact a reason for his death must exist. The Divine Visitor is one such reason. If Edge were alive, Lagi would have helped him escape Sestren. And Edge and Gash would meet on time. Gash only heard the sound of wings flapping. If Edge were alive we know what would’ve happened.

Azel found his lifeless body floating in Sestren.

[quote=“GehnTheBerserker”]If only Abadd (the poster) was here he could confirm that Edge died in that fall…

Tsk tsk…

Anyways Geoff I’m curious to see what you are trying to say…
Reading the drone report now…[/quote]

Yeah! Damn that Abadd! Why doesn’t he ever post anymore???

[quote=“Abadd”]

[quote=“GehnTheBerserker”]If only Abadd (the poster) was here he could confirm that Edge died in that fall…

Tsk tsk…

Anyways Geoff I’m curious to see what you are trying to say…
Reading the drone report now…[/quote]

Yeah! Damn that Abadd! Why doesn’t he ever post anymore???[/quote]

Good riddance i say. No one liked that Abadd guy anyway :wink:

Yeah. He was only slightly more popular than me.

Yeah : and HE IGNORES EVERY SINGLE IM COMING FROM ME!!! :stuck_out_tongue:

Welcome back, Abadd :slight_smile:

with good reason :stuck_out_tongue:

Don’t forget who got you that avie bi http://www.neomega.net/forum/images/smilies/12.gif

hahaha… thanks guys :slight_smile:

Gehn: I don’t remember getting any messages from you :frowning: didn’t mean to ignore ya.

suspicious

Okay :slight_smile: