Not sure what to think. My first reaction was that Sega were shooting themselves in the foot by making it PS3 exclusive, but then I don’t know how well the previous games have sold, or how much (if anything) Sony are paying for the exclusivity deal etc.[/quote]
Bloody hell. Yes, let’s support the corporation that almost killed us!
Please die Sony.
Having said all that, however, it was better off on the console that was going to dominate Japan anyway, but that doesn’t mean I have to like it, or buy the game. I have no intention of supporting Sony’s continued dominance of the industry.
Please will you just let it go? Sega have been “dead” as a console manufacturer for years now - it really is time you got a bee in your bonnet about something else. Sega killed Sega, and they would have still done it even without Sonys help.
Please will you just let it go? Sega have been “dead” as a console manufacturer for years now - it really is time you got a bee in your bonnet about something else. Sega killed Sega, and they would have still done it even without Sonys help.[/quote]
And Harvy Lee Oswald killed JFK all by himself when the evidence is there plain to see that he didn’t. Yet people still want to believe the fabrication.
Sony killed sega end of. sega didn’t help themselves but no question Sonywas out to kill off all its rivals in that period.
Yes die please. I knew this would happen. The sting in the tail if is this rumour of a certain RPG being totally offline and exclusive to PS3 is true.
What is Sega playing at?
In other news…
people have been touting this as the potential ball out the park because Sonic is solo. But the premise is hardly endearing and kinda indicates with SMB that sega’s NWi intentions are gonna be kiddie orientated.
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Sony killed sega end of. sega didn’t help themselves but no question Sonywas out to kill off all its rivals in that period. [/quote]
Sega is no longer in the hardware business because of several extremely poor business decisions and the fact that they failed to adapt to the mainstream. More people decided to purchase a PS2 because Sony succeded in delivering software that lots of people could enjoy, and it’s Sega’s fault that they couldn’t keep up.
And before you respond with “but Sony is stupid and evil and wouldn’t let Sega play in the sandbox”, you should know that this is little more than a childish and delusional excuse that could only be reached by a fanboy who has simply run out of ideas.
Please will you just let it go? Sega have been “dead” as a console manufacturer for years now - it really is time you got a bee in your bonnet about something else. Sega killed Sega, and they would have still done it even without Sonys help.[/quote]
I won’t support a one console industry. Sony can go to hell for all the so called good it has done.
Are we talking about the PS2’s mediocre, rushed and unfinished launch titles here because in 2000-2001 the Dreamcast easily stood up to the PS2 even with Sony’s fabricated system specs.
Pop-culture makes a console these days. It was almost nothing but the mere promise of MGS2 and FFX that kept people holding on to their “precious” PS2 in the absence of killer launch titles and the software draught thereafter.
Let’s not rewrite history like all the “unbiased” media outlets have a nasty habbit of doing.
I sincerely hope that the PS3 is the death of Sony. And I won’t even be touching VF5, not even in the arcades after Sega just nailed the final coffin in Sony’s competition in Japan.
After that hilarious conference Sony did where they pratically ripped off M$ and Nintendo’s ideas(yet again) they need a hope and aprayer to win over gamers next gen.
Anyhow a old favourite has returned for the third time…
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Sony killed sega end of. sega didn’t help themselves but no question Sonywas out to kill off all its rivals in that period. [/quote]
Sega is no longer in the hardware business because of several extremely poor business decisions and the fact that they failed to adapt to the mainstream. More people decided to purchase a PS2 because Sony succeded in delivering software that lots of people could enjoy, and it’s Sega’s fault that they couldn’t keep up.
And before you respond with “but Sony is stupid and evil and wouldn’t let Sega play in the sandbox”, you should know that this is little more than a childish and delusional excuse that could only be reached by a fanboy who has simply run out of ideas.[/quote]
Sega is simply not in the business because of Sny’s tactics which is well documented. Sny had NOTHING in terms of decent software for the first year of its release while the DC libary had an abundance of great titles.
For someone who is trying to be “intelligent” you would have known that.That excuse of S*ny delivered in terms of software for the PS2 is laughable at best when they didn’t deliver in its first year.
SEGA want fucking for making VF 5 PS3 only inthe USA and Europe (Japan I can understand). Just when people were tallking up SEGA and a lot of the USA X-Box boards saying they might buy SEGA stuff again they go and blow that away by pissing them all off (fanboys went nuts onthe TeamXBox boards :)).SONY had a pathetic showing and VF5 looks an insult onthe machine despite no dout the best efforts of AM#2 what with the ealry code .
SEGA could have shut all the doubters and haters up with a 360 version too, but no , they blow it . A multi platfrom version of V5 would have been a million seller easy. I even wanted a PC version too, so all the haters could see how good VF is, but no that dream is blowen apart .
As for Golden Axe I don’t see what they can do with it. Golden Axe run its coruse with Pt 3 imo. Sercet Level would have been better off doing a FPS version of Alien Syndrome, seeing they did such a good job on Dreamcast Unreal and so know a bit about FPS
Street Of Rage needs updating SEGA not Golden Axe.
Other wise SEGA is having a really good show Sonic , VT III and PSU looks ace . Shame all people will talk about is VF5 onthe PS3
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Street Of Rage needs updating SEGA not Golden Axe.[/quote]
Two problems with updating Streets of Rage.
Mr. X died at the end of Streets of Rage 3. Shiva was presumably thrown in Jail and/or executed for trying to blow up the city. So, you’d need a new baddy.
Golden Axe is a better known brand because it originated in the Arcades back in the 80’s, whereas SoR was Genesis only. Also, SoR should have been on the Sonic Gems Collection, but Sega were willing to take it off to keep the rating at G/U in US/Europe territories. Perhaps they’re going to make Golden Axe sinister and mature…? (note: sarcasm)
Splatterhouse needs to come back as well. I know it’s not a Sega game but Splatterhouse 2 rocked.
[quote=“Team Andromeda”]SEGA want fucking for making VF 5 PS3 only inthe USA and Europe (Japan I can understand). Just when people were tallking up SEGA and a lot of the USA X-Box boards saying they might buy SEGA stuff again they go and blow that away by pissing them all off (fanboys went nuts onthe TeamXBox boards :)).SONY had a pathetic showing and VF5 looks an insult onthe machine despite no dout the best efforts of AM#2 what with the ealry code .
SEGA could have shut all the doubters and haters up with a 360 version too, but no , they blow it . A multi platfrom version of V5 would have been a million seller easy. I even wanted a PC version too, so all the haters could see how good VF is, but no that dream is blowen apart .
As for Golden Axe I don’t see what they can do with it. Golden Axe run its coruse with Pt 3 imo. Sercet Level would have been better off doing a FPS version of Alien Syndrome, seeing they did such a good job on Dreamcast Unreal and so know a bit about FPS
Street Of Rage needs updating SEGA not Golden Axe.
Other wise SEGA is having a really good show Sonic , VT III and PSU looks ace . Shame all people will talk about is VF5 onthe PS3[/quote]
I always thought GOLDEN AXE could return since EA ripped it off for their LOTR games and i suspect is the main reason why Secret Level brought it back.
But the fact that they kinda mesed up streetwise makes me shudder to what the new GA will be like. People keep demanding the return of old classics without thinkin if the updates will be any good. God knows what will happen with the NIGHTS update.
As for SOR i’ve been around the places i dwell and while the hardcore are satisfied with GA there is a demand for SOR to return. In fact some think its guranteed because GA was announced as a game. Despite a previous poster to the contary SOR will be big news to a lot of people.
As for VF5 well come on we all saw this coming a mile off. A premier franchise gets the “superstar” treatment. Its obvious Sny brought Sega off considering SEGA RALLY and VIRTUA TENIS is cross platform. I’m actually awaiting the SHINOBI announcement to see if thats cross or Sny exclusive.
Sega is no longer in the hardware business because of several extremely poor business decisions and the fact that they failed to adapt to the mainstream. More people decided to purchase a PS2 because Sony succeded in delivering software that lots of people could enjoy, and it’s Sega’s fault that they couldn’t keep up.
And before you respond with “but Sony is stupid and evil and wouldn’t let Sega play in the sandbox”, you should know that this is little more than a childish and delusional excuse that could only be reached by a fanboy who has simply run out of ideas.
Sega is simply not in the business because of Sny’s tactics which is well documented. Sny had NOTHING in terms of decent software for the first year of its release while the DC libary had an abundance of great titles.
For someone who is trying to be “intelligent” you would have known that.That excuse of S*ny delivered in terms of software for the PS2 is laughable at best when they didn’t deliver in its first year.[/quote]
SEGA failed becasue of SEGA America and Europe pathetic and Inept handling of the Saturn (done SONY world for them) but more the 32X was cost SEGA loads only to be a massive failure eat up SEGA budget and piss off people and 3rd party?s while it was at it.
That what Cost SEGA at the end of the day . Because if you thing NCL, M$ or SEGA (when it was number one) played fair you?ll living in a dreamworld.
NCl been fixed twice and SEGA once for nit playing by the rules
Bringing VF4 to the PS2 which was firmly entrenched at the time, was understandable, but making VF5 a PS3 exclusive is mind-boggling. The PS3 isn’t even here yet, and yet everyone is convinced that it will dominate the market once again.
Sega is solidifying Sony’s grip on the Japanese market with this move. Why support a monopoly?
Bringing VF4 to the PS2 which was firmly entrenched at the time, was understandable, but making VF5 a PS3 exclusive is mind-boggling. The PS3 isn’t even here yet, and yet everyone is convinced that it will dominate the market once again.
Sega is solidifying Sony’s grip on the Japanese market with this move.[/quote]
If it was a consumer game I could understand it (give the rubbish sales of the 360 in Japan) But it isn’t and wouldn’t take SEGA long to get it up and running onthe 360. SEGA could have had a million seller easy, it sell loads onthe PS3 , but SEGA could have had a 200,000 seller easy onthe 360. More so as people are so in awe of the graphics this time.
VF4 onthe NA@MI II didn’t look any better than DOA 3 onthe X-Box. This time VF5 is pissing over Team Ninja work , from a massive height .
SEGA would have been the talk of the town with this news, but instead they blow it an thats what all the talk will be from now on.
AS for SONY I’m so uttlery pissed off with they underhand tricks and broken promises , There’ no way I’m getting a PS3 like SONY is had a sh8ting showing and looks another PS2 all over again. Then you the 360 and games like Lost Planet and it makes me sick to my back teeth . To think what SEGA Japan could do on that hardware but we’ll never see it .
I’ll stick with the 360 and have a Wii . AM#2 and SONY can just forget it . Otherwise SEGA having a pretty good showing
I never thought that Sega would actively support Sony’s monopoly, but this move seals the 360’s fate (does this have something to do with wanting to keep the Japanese economy strong?).
I’m still wondering if a home version coming out so soon will hurt arcade revenue.
If you’re the weak(er) kid in the playground, of course you want to hang out with the popular one with all the friends - it makes you more secure.
As for not supporting MS, it’s understandable - how much money did they make off Xbox games compared to PS2?[/quote]
I have no trouble with SEGA support SONY , just that VF5 isn’t multi platform If it was a consumer Team product you could understand it…
This is a Lindberg title , that wouldn’t be that hard or costly to port the 360 , that way SEGA would be looking at a million seller easy with combined sales .
To say that somehow the 360 or M$ is weak, is quite frankly laughable, It will have a massive lead by the time the PS3 ships and by the time of next spring will have a user base inthe USA more than big enough for VF5 . SEGA could have got sales of around over 200,000 (and thats being conservative) copies easy onthe 360.
That would have made SEGA even more money and got SEGA so much street cred it’s untrue. M$ is quite frankly kicking SONY ass at E3 even NCL is having a better showing . Like I said if it was a consumer product (where in Japan the 360 is nothing) I could see the sence , this I can’t given the PC backroud of Lindberd. What do we get instead a nice Jaggie version of one of the best looking games ever made
Its thanks to being multi that even the likes of Mortal Kombat can sell over a million copies onthe PS-XBox. A Multi VF5 would have done the same inthe west easy . And yes it does piss me off the thought of SEGA siging deals with SONY (even if its a great deal) more so when this will hurt thier image in the west , SEGA name in America is hardly great as it is.
Now the 360 USA boards is having a field day slaging off SEGA as they see this as Japan looking after is own , when it isn’t but they you go
I’ve never claimed the MS are weak - it’s an interesting console backed by probably the richest man on the face of the Earth.
The playground analogy was in reference to Sega wanting to show more favour towards Sony.
Sega is no longer in the hardware business because of several extremely poor business decisions and the fact that they failed to adapt to the mainstream. More people decided to purchase a PS2 because Sony succeded in delivering software that lots of people could enjoy, and it’s Sega’s fault that they couldn’t keep up.
And before you respond with “but Sony is stupid and evil and wouldn’t let Sega play in the sandbox”, you should know that this is little more than a childish and delusional excuse that could only be reached by a fanboy who has simply run out of ideas.
Sega is simply not in the business because of Sny’s tactics which is well documented. Sny had NOTHING in terms of decent software for the first year of its release while the DC libary had an abundance of great titles.
For someone who is trying to be “intelligent” you would have known that.That excuse of S*ny delivered in terms of software for the PS2 is laughable at best when they didn’t deliver in its first year.
SEGA failed becasue of SEGA America and Europe pathetic and Inept handling of the Saturn (done SONY world for them) but more the 32X was cost SEGA loads only to be a massive failure eat up SEGA budget and piss off people and 3rd party?s while it was at it.
That what Cost SEGA at the end of the day . Because if you thing NCL, M$ or SEGA (when it was number one) played fair you?ll living in a dreamworld.
NCl been fixed twice and SEGA once for nit playing by the rules[/quote]
Can we please keep it to the DC and not what happened before? That period is irrelevant to what happened between 200-01 and you know it. That’s all i’m going to say on the matter because we’ll just go in circles like the last time we discussed this.
[quote=“Geoffrey Duke”]I never thought that Sega would actively support Sony’s monopoly, but this move seals the 360’s fate (does this have something to do with wanting to keep the Japanese economy strong?).
I’m still wondering if a home version coming out so soon will hurt arcade revenue.[/quote]
Well all the Sega fans wished that Sega had business sense to match their creative streak and now they got it in spades with Sammy’s Hijime Satomi. He’s going to support the company thats expected to dominate the games industry in Japan. These type of decisions will probably alienate a lot of former/hardcore Sega players and the sad thing is they don’t care since Sega is so big right now that upsetting a few lifelong fans with no share holding power isn’t going to affect them.
I doubt it will affect revenue since most VF players just play it on arcade. As a lifelong ShF and PD fan Duke i be more worried which system those games are heading to next gen.
