Oh he called me dumb how will i live through the week?
Now who’s acting like a baby now? I’m dumb because I called you an idiot?
What ? You a member of Mensa or something? Grow up and don’t involve yourself with things that don’t concern you or assume a situation before
knowing the facts. Which you did. THATS why you ARE an idiot.
You know what, you’re right. I apologize GP, I was obviously ignorant of the facts and came off as a self-absorbed jerkoff. Allow me to explain myself:
Common sense led me to believe that you had brought up a, what seemed to me like a “going-nowhere” argument out of the dust and proclaimed that the person you were arguing against always wanted the last word. To me, this was hypocrisy and I felt I should voice my opinion on the matter. I was in a bit of a bad place at the time so I felt like lashing out at someone. Bad timing I guess.
I didn’t know that you didn’t come in here often and you just found a topic with your name in it and decided to respond. This is quite possibly the most mature and peaceful video game board I’ve ever been a part of and the last thing I want to do is be looked down upon and exiled because of this. If this argument must continue I cannot stop it and hopefully we can put this unpleasent moment behind us and start off fresh. Peace brudda.
And the fun never stops!
There are plenty of companies out there that are fine “ignoring a big market like the cube.” Acclaim’s games weren’t selling. Period.
[quote=“Goonboy Panzer”]No you don’t know the history of Nintendo or you would have known about the incident with Square back in 2000,Which you were forced to admit that it happened. And another thing when you are trying to pass off information as your own don’t use the same wording as the site that you got it from as plagerisim is an offence. Don’t worry I doubt the peeps from shinforce and
segabase will sue you.
eidolons-inn.net/segabase/Se … nesis.html[/quote]
Haha… Thanks for the link. I didn’t know that site even existed. For your information, the information I got was from the book “Game Over: Press Start to Continue.” It’s a history of Nintendo, starting from the days before they made video games, up until the SNES days (I honestly don’t consider info from the year 2000 to be “Nintendo history”). I’m not sure where you got the whole “plagerism” (sic) thing from, but is it because I used words like “sweetheart deal” or something? Those are standard English words, my friend.
If you would like to think they are imaginary, go right ahead. I’m sure there are others here who would vouch for the legitimacy of my information.
Wacky Racers was the first. Sega may have technically started development first, but the developers of Wacky Racers (too lazy to look up who it was) did it soon after, without having to copy Sega.
Mentioning stuff like Animal Crossing or Pikmin is sidetracking?
How about from a technical standpoint? Nintendo nearly invented the 3D platformer. Nintendo created the standard for console controllers. Nintendo developed rotoscoping and scaling sprites for the console. And games? A few Sega games have been truly revolutionary. The rest were either “me too” games, or simply just done well. The same can be said for Nintendo. You speak of all this Sega innovation. Name them.
Sony has lost no ground. Nintendo has actually lost marketshare every generation since SNES. Microsoft helped expand the audience… it didn’t take away marketshare from Sony. The Xbox is widely known as the “superior” hardware, but consumers have shown that, in general, they don’t really care. The PS2 has the games they want. That’s all that matters in the end. Kinda like Beta vs. VHS. Beta was the better technology, but the porn industry supported the VHS. Guess what everyone wanted?
[quote=“Goonboy Panzer”]You were wrong about Yamuchi making square beg to develop GBA games. Wrong about increasing growth in the japanese PC market ported and original compared to ten years ago. Wrong about square talking to microsoft. Wrong about intial D reaching the top as have many sega games in Japan and wrong about Sega not doing well.
And your saying i’m slitting my wrists…[/quote]
Hahaha… Sure thing. I was wrong about all those things. As for the Square/Nintendo thing, I was merely pointing out that it wasn’t as one-sided as you thought.
And what’s this about “increased growth in the Japanese PC market ported and original content compared to ten years ago”? All we talked about was an increase in Japanese development for PC. Period. And no, there really isn’t. Maybe a slight increase, but negligible. In Japan, if a game sells 10k units, it’s considered a hit.
I’m too lazy to go look up what I said about Initial D, but sure. Maybe I was slightly wrong about that, but I looked up my info and corrected myself. How is that wrong? But Initial D selling “okay” does not make a company successful. Sega is not doing well. It may have more money than it did in the DC days, but that’s because there isn’t all that hardware development eating up the money. But that hardly means it’s successful. Back when there was hardware, there was an expected level of debt. But, since then, investors have expected Sega to turn a much larger profit. If Sega was doing so well… then why would they sell themselves to Sammy? Ever think of that?
Hit a nerve, have I? Perhaps the fact that I’m not getting worked up has you irritated? Regardless, you can believe what you will. It has no affect on my life. People on these boards will verify that I, for the most part, know what I’m talking about when it comes to these things. But, as I said, you can believe what you want to. Cheers!
[quote=“Raizen1984”]Wow…just wow…
I’d just like to point out that, although you think Abadd likes to have the last word, that you brought this topic up from obscurity for the sole purpose of aggravating him further. You’re a hypocrite, and I hate hypocrites.
Hopefully Abadd will not respond and disallow the baby from receiving the attention he obviously desires. You are a sad, pathetic human being GP, and I have pity for you.[/quote]
Sorry to let you down Raizen… I just had to respond. It’s my first day back at work after the holidays and I needed something to brighten up my day 
I’m actually more inclined to believe that PS2 owners are simply content with PS2-quality graphics. I hope they’re equally content with all those downgraded multi-platform games.
Also, was the PS2 even online-capable before the Xbox arrived on the scene? Would Sony have felt the need to give the PS2 online support if Microsoft wasn’t quick to exploit the hell out of that chink in the PS2’s armor?
Much of the PS2’s success can be attributed to the fact that it was on the market sooner than the Xbox. Microsoft won’t allow the PS3 to gain the same headstart when the time comes to introduce the Xbox 2 to the world. And that, I believe, will be a huge contributing factor in the success or failure of either console.
That’s sorta what I was saying by saying that consumers have shown that they don’t care that the Xbox is the technically superior hardware.
In their defense, though, there are plenty of PS2 games that look really good, regardless (the Ratchet & Clank/Jak series come to mind in particular), so many people may just not realize the graphical difference.
XBL and the PS2 have achieved online success, no doubt… and MS was definitely the driving force. I really applaud what they’ve done with XBL. When I saw earlier iterations of it, I had hoped they would address certain issues (voice masking, being unable to tell people why you can’t join their game, etc.), but they were all addressed at either release, or with subsequent upgrades. Good job, MS.
However, given that only a very small portion of the userbase actually plays online, it can hardly be considered a deciding factor. It definitely gave MS an edge with the more hardcore, but the average user (the 20-some-odd-million PS2 users that have never been online with their PS2) probably couldn’t care less. =\
Indeed it can. By the time Xbox came out, the PS2 had so much momentum that almost nothing could stop it. The problem is that Sony started their hype machine over a year in advance to the PS2 actually coming out. Does anybody else remember the claims that Saddam Hussein was supposedly planning on buying up thousands of PS2’s to daisy chain them together to make a supercomputer? Or that Hollywood would start to use PS2’s to create CG for movies? These are just two samples of actually stories I heard on the news prior to the PS2 launching. Once Sony gets its hype machine running, it’s a powerful thing.
The big problem now, though, is that Sony is one of the most popular/trusted brands in America (teen research shows that Sony is the top brand that teens associate with “cool”), and all they have to say is, “Sure, Xbox 2 is coming out first, but the PS3 is going to be newer and better than the Xbox 2.”
Most of the people out there will probably listen =\
That being said, I think Sony definitely has its work cut out for it this coming generation. MS wants this something fierce, and they’re going to do everything they can to get it.
[quote=“Abadd”]
If you would like to think they are imaginary, go right ahead. I’m sure there are others here who would vouch for the legitimacy of my information.[/quote]
/me chortles loudly 
[quote]I’m actually more inclined to believe that PS2 owners are simply content with PS2-quality graphics. I hope they’re equally content with all those downgraded multi-platform games.
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Don’t underestimate the potential of the PS2. Having played and completed Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater I’d have to say it’s the most visually breathtaking game I’ve ever played. Spectacular lighting effects, vastly detailed enviornments, and the most convincing jungle I’ve ever seen in a game. I’d wager we’ve only scratched the surface of what this machine can handle.
More convincing than Far Cry?
Never played it (been meaning to though, need to get a more efficient PC before it’ll work).
As if any of us could forget. I remember people claiming that the PS2 was going to be a stripped down super-computer… that was also somehow going to be in an affordable price range. Even though the PS2 was rushed onto the market with games that weren’t finished and with no online support everyone couldn’t wait to own one. Ultimately, the PS2 wasn’t really that much more powerful than the Dreamcast, and even less powerful in some respects.
The question is: are people going to fall into the same hype trap a second time? I don’t think so. Sony will have to sell the PS3 on the strength of its reputation among consumers alone. Here’s where I think Microsoft and Sony can cancel each other out. Both brands are so strong in the minds of consumers today that they really aren’t going anywhere any time soon. Sony has now found itself on a level playing field.
Of course, more than a few Sega fans are hoping that the Xbox 2 will be the death of Sony. You don’t need to ask why.
The same can be said for the Saturn, or the Dreamcast (having seen Shenmue 2 in motion I’m convinced that a lot of the Dreamcast’s potential went to waste when Sega cut it loose).
Also, how much of the PS2’s CPU power did Konami use to run anti-aliasing software this time?
In terms of technical specifications, the PS2 (parrallel processors notwithstanding) strays far behind the GameCube and Xbox. That’s why I can’t wait to see the GC-to-PS2 conversion job of Resident Evil 4 – Capcom will either be forced to compromise in every area of the game, or will have not choice but to recreate much of it… possibly from scratch.
Something Funamizu-san of Capcom said in an interview with CVG in 1998 before Sega launched the Dreamcast was that even if Sony’s PS2 was more powerful than the Dreamcast, both consoles are so powerful already that average gamers wouldn’t be able to tell the difference between the visual quality of either console’s games. Graphics have reached a standard that are more than adequate for the task of satisfying consumers. In a rather ironic twist of fate, Sony’s PS2 was the console to rely on this fact of life to carry it the furthest.
[quote=“Raizen1984”]You know what, you’re right. I apologize GP, I was obviously ignorant of the facts and came off as a self-absorbed jerkoff. Allow me to explain myself:
Common sense led me to believe that you had brought up a, what seemed to me like a “going-nowhere” argument out of the dust and proclaimed that the person you were arguing against always wanted the last word. To me, this was hypocrisy and I felt I should voice my opinion on the matter. I was in a bit of a bad place at the time so I felt like lashing out at someone. Bad timing I guess.
I didn’t know that you didn’t come in here often and you just found a topic with your name in it and decided to respond. This is quite possibly the most mature and peaceful video game board I’ve ever been a part of and the last thing I want to do is be looked down upon and exiled because of this. If this argument must continue I cannot stop it and hopefully we can put this unpleasent moment behind us and start off fresh. Peace brudda.[/quote]
Fair enough. You were n’t to know. I was pissed because of the arrogance of the said poster and his “slitting my wrists” comment which was offensive to me and uncalled for especially on a subject like that. He’s been bugging me ever since i’ve come to this forum, second guessing every comment I’ve made and this is due to the “pick on the noob” mentality that i’ve seen whenever the noob has an opinion on matters that are sacred in a forum. His need to make the last comment(which I knew he would) in a discussion i don’t care to carry on further in which i stated in my last post on the topic i was discussing with him (if you can call it that)is a testement to that and basically confirms his low self esteem in the real world and tries to make up for it by being an abrasive know it all.
Also his attitude against Sega is infruiating especially when this is a site DEDICATED to a Sega game.If he thinks Nintendo makes better games and is more creative than Sega then why post here? It’s the same situation with all those bloody Sony sychophants in another RPG based forum i frequent.
Maybe the Sony/nintendo ones are’nt intresting as the sega ones…
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I’m actually more inclined to believe that PS2 owners are simply content with PS2-quality graphics. I hope they’re equally content with all those downgraded multi-platform games.
Also, was the PS2 even online-capable before the Xbox arrived on the scene? Would Sony have felt the need to give the PS2 online support if Microsoft wasn’t quick to exploit the hell out of that chink in the PS2’s armor?
Much of the PS2’s success can be attributed to the fact that it was on the market sooner than the Xbox. Microsoft won’t allow the PS3 to gain the same headstart when the time comes to introduce the Xbox 2 to the world. And that, I believe, will be a huge contributing factor in the success or failure of either console.[/quote]
It will be intresing at least. I think a lot of companies will be forced to choose just one or two platforms to create games on. it’s simply too expensive to create games for all three platforms. Only EA and a few others made games for all the platforms in this generation. Half of the japanese ones made games for two. It depends IMO who they will see as the important platform to make games for.
Haven’t read the whole post yet, but I just wanted to clarify two things.
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Huh? The “slitting your wrists” comment offended you? Did you even read what I said? I was referring to VC “slitting its own wrists” (i.e. dropping their price point to $20) to gain attention, but due to the severe drop in profits-per-unit-sold, they were screwing themselves in the long run. It’s called hyperbole.
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It’s not a “pick on the n00b” thing. It’s a “inform the n00b who goes to various message boards and spouts basless rumors as facts” thing (i.e. Skies 2 is coming out, etc.)
Thank you for your time.
Edit: Just finished reading the rest of your post, goonboy. sigh I honestly wish I could show you my sources. I’m being truly honest here. The only reason why I’m hard on Sega is because I know Sega can do so much better than what it’s doing right now. Shinobi? That was arse compared to what it should have been. And you’ve seen how everyone goes off about how poorly conceived the new Shining Force game is, right? I’m not the only one. I’m just not afraid to say that Sega should and could be doing much better.
However, what doesn’t help is baseless speculation about what Sega is/isn’t doing. It comes across as blatant fanboyism and does nothing more than polarize the pro-Sega/anti-Sega camp. There are many things Sega should be doing right now, but that doesn’t mean they actually are doing them.
Right now, in its current state, Sega simply isn’t good. Very few games developed at Sega are up to par with the rest of the industry. Sega can’t afford to fund vanity projects like Rez and the days of the viability of arcade ports on home consoles are long gone. Users are much more sophisticated now and want an experience that is fun for more than 10 minutes at a time. The problem is that the majority of Sega’s developers cut their teeth in the arcades and it’s very hard to change mentality.
Just my two cents. You can take what I say however you want, but trust me when I say that I bleed blue.
[quote]The same can be said for the Saturn, or the Dreamcast.
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No it can’t. The Saturn and the Dreamcast are dead and therefore no longer have potential.
And to Geoffrey: I still think Sony has enough clout with Joe Blow consumer to pull it off once more. I remember when the PS2 first launched and people were paying upwards of $1,000 to get one on Ebay, people were swearing that Ridge Racer and Tekken Tag were the best. games. evar. And when MGS2 came out? It was like the Second Coming.
Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large numbers
The hype used to be about the “emotion engine” now its about the “cell processor” that sony has been going on about for years, I wonder if people will be taken in by the seemingly “mystical” chip that sony says it is. For the record I remeber someone telling me that the PC could never match the PS2’s graphics in 10 years (he was a sony fanboy dickhead) back when the sony hype machine started.
I remember desprately waiting for the game and being desprately dissapointed whe it was dropped inn favour of the Dreamcast, in many ways my growing apphrhension of Sega started with the handling of the end of the Saturn (and SF3) over to the Dreamcast and things havn’t got much better.
I always imagined you defending Sega’s decision to turn the Shining Force series into a new breed of Action/RPGs for no other reason than because Action/RPGs are far more marketable than turn-based Strategy/RPGs when taking a global market into consideration.
Do you still remember when Interplay chose to cancel the widely anticipated Fallout 3 for the PC in favor of developing a Fallout Action/RPG for the home consoles? Fallout fans went absolutely berserk, and quite possibly deprived Interplay of a few hundred thousand sales (Interplay even generated so much negative press that it came back to haunt them). Why does Shining Force Neo remind me of that fiasco?
The large cult following the series has earned in Japan won’t be too pleased with Shining Force Neo, that’s for sure. If Sega announced the development of a true Shining Force game months before the release of Shining Force Neo, however, it could make a world of difference. Of course, that’s just wishful thinking.
No it can’t. The Saturn and the Dreamcast are dead and therefore no longer have potential.[/quote]
Both consoles have what’s called untapped potential, especially in the case of the Dreamcast which died before its time. There’s no denying that Shenmue 2 could stand alongside any Playstation 2 game released in 2001, and still draw attention to itself as a crowning graphical achievement. If the DC could give the PS2 a run for its money back then, then why not now?
I know exactly what the PS2 is capable of, and I know for a fact that the GameCube and Xbox are capable of achieving a hell of a lot more. The PS2 is simply holding games back.
Hell, PC hardware is years more advanced than even the Xbox, and yet most developers are still shackled to the graphical limitations of the PS2. Why you ask? Because the PS2 owns the largest share of the market.
[quote=“Abadd”]And to Geoffrey: I still think Sony has enough clout with Joe Blow consumer to pull it off once more. I remember when the PS2 first launched and people were paying upwards of $1,000 to get one on Ebay, people were swearing that Ridge Racer and Tekken Tag were the best. games. evar. And when MGS2 came out? It was like the Second Coming.
Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large numbers :D[/quote]
I suppose it’s never wise to under-estimate brand loyalty.
It’s actually a shame that Sega didn’t manage to hold onto the five million strong userbase in Japan generated by the Saturn when Sega launched the Dreamcast there. If Sega had retained that many customers in Japan, the Dreamcast may have lived to be a ripe old age.
Still for many months Sega abadoned its fans outside Japan, and then proudced a console that didn’t really have the kind of hardcore and unique appeal the Saturn did. In retrospect it would be nice if a company had the balls to produce a console and software as unique as the Saturn again but I fear this will not be the case 
[quote]Both consoles have what’s called untapped potential, especially in the case of the Dreamcast which died before its time. There’s no denying that Shenmue 2 could stand alongside any Playstation 2 game released in 2001, and still draw attention to itself as a crowning graphical achievement. If the DC could give the PS2 a run for its money back then, then why not now?
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The PS2 is more capable than the Dreamcast was and by far more so than the Saturn. Do you mean to tell me that games like the Bouncer, MGS3, Jak 3, R&C 3, and Killzone could be reproduced on the outdated Naomi hardware? I seriously doubt it. And of course the Gamecube and Xbox have more potential, they were released AFTER the PS2.
And no, Shenmue II does not stack up well with what’s currently available. Sorry.
Actually, the Bouncer sucked Probably could have been done on the DC, just without the blur.
And sega91… the DC wasn’t hardcore enough for you?!? Man… you must be ub3rh4rdc0r3.