Oh I agree that a lot of people would have bought the PS2 just because it was the next Playstation, rather than looking at other (better) options such as the Dreamcast. The same will probably happen with the Playstation 3… people will buy it because they know that it will be a widely supported platform, from a great variety of developers. Playstation is a secure brand; if you buy a Sony console you can expect it to last at least five years with a good lineup of games. What I’m saying is that casual gamers don’t want to have to keep buying a new console every 2 or 3 years, they want a console that will be supported for a good chunk of time. They want security.
It’s like asking someone if they’d be happy switching from video formats (VHS, DVD, etc) all the time. Chances are people will not want to change unless they can change to something they feel that they can trust to widely supported.
Just for arguments sake, I’m going to say that at this point of time Sony is needed for the good of the games industry. If Sony were to stop making consoles today, Microsoft would become a monopoly and things would only become worse. Competition is good for the games industry.
I’m not saying anyone needs to be destroyed, I would just like for companies to stop misleading people. I still don’t understand why a lot of people here hate the playstation consoles. Is it because of fanboy issues? Just wondering, not trying to offend anyone. If it’s about stuff breaking, I’m pretty sure you all just have bad luck because no one I personally know has ever had thier playstation or playstation 2 break on them, and my playstation has yet to break. They truely aren’t bad systems, it’s just that Sony fights dirty, as do all the console manufacturers. I would like to know what the PS3 and Xbox 360 really have to offer instead of theoretical and bloated information.
For it because it created a ton of clueless gamers that think driving and RPG?s started with the PS, and even console Hardware its self.
The misconception people have that the Saturn is sh8t and the PS is leagues ahead. Then there’s stuff like the bull cr8p that Sony were the 1st to make consoles cool to own, and sponsor Football ect.
Years before Sony. SEGA were creating the cool Cyber Razor Cut , and Pirate TV adverts, giving the Mega Drive a cool imagine of the street.
SEGA were having various Film, pop and sports stars being seen playing Mega Dive products and wearing SEGA T-Shirts . All which gave the Mega Drive a cool street image . Years before Sony SEGA were sponsoring the Premiership and things like F1.
And basically yes it?s a bit of fanbody talk and I don?t like the fact it crushed the Saturn, though SOA/SOE practically did that for their self?s.
Don;t even get me started on the HYPE bullsh8t machine the PS2
You know your starting to sound like that fanatic from the Sega forums
Your usually more sensible than that has the E3 angered you that much?
But i overall agree with what you said.
SWD: It will be intresting to see if the PS3 can maintain the same success as it’s predecessors. Traditionally the third console from a games company is usually the flop like,Jagurar,Saturn,N64 so it intresting to see if Sony can break the mold.
Let me rephrase then: Sony’s monopoly needs to be well and truly crushed. If Sony fails to deliver everything it promises this generation (a console that’s, and I quote, “twice as powerful” as the Xbox 360, which all informed signs are pointing to it not being), then Microsoft should take more of the market. Remember, M$ is more than prepared to invest billions of dollars in this industry, and isn’t showing any signs of backing down.
[quote=“Goonboy Panzer”]You know your starting to sound like that fanatic from the Sega forums
Your usually more sensible than that has the E3 angered you that much?
But i overall agree with what you said.
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Yeah I know sad in a way. Anway its no so much E3 its everything to do with the PS2, and the bullsh8t hype.
Still to this day It annoys and iterates me that SEGA had such a hard time with the press and public convincing them the DC could push 3 Million polygons.
Yet the press swallowed SONY bullsh8t 66 millions polygon and emotion bullsh8t, not to talk about their Internet plans (I know some people that think the PS2 was the 1st online console).
And the sad part is, they?re swallowing it all over again the with the PS3. I mean talk about ground hog day .
Fake bullsh8t tech demos, the promise of a true online world, and a video of MGS on the big display.
Tell me about it but i still insist joe public will go for the 360 rather than the PS3. I remember how peeps were stoked over the Saturn and the N64 all expecting a repeat of the 16 bit golden age… It didn’t happen. Just because it seems that the PS3 is getting it’s day in the sun does not mean that people will buy the thing at the end of the day.
Wishful thinking, I’m afraid, Goonboy Panzer. We now are afflicted by the scourge of the Casual Gamer, and that vapid, vacuous monstrosity’s unholy altar is the Playstation. Nothing else so much as registers in his mind. I’ve seen this on other forums - people absolutely mesmerised by the meaningless drivel of statistics, wittering on about numbers when we have no evidence of what all these bells and whistles are actually going to do. For this breed, MAXIMUM POWAAA!!!111 = cool. And thanks to Sony’s omnipresence, no-one gets an opportunity to read any other claims to the contrary.
Whatever people think about Microsoft, I’d reccomend that people back the new X-Box to the hilt - I know that Abadd’s going to take a low opinion of this tribalistic attitude, but remember the mantra of the assassins - the enemy of my enemy is my friend.
If we want to sunder Sony’s pernicious and constrictive tantamount monopoly on the console market, there’s always the Final Solution - smuggle a few bricks of Armalite into Japan. Blame the crater on the North Koreans.
Some interesting news that you all should be happy about, even though Sony fanboys will discredit this, I read an article in arstechnica.com in which they already said that rumors the Xbox 360’s performance on branch intensive game controll, AI, and physics would range from mediocre to horrible. Here is the quote
“At any rate, Playstation 3 fanboys shouldn’t get all flush over the idea that the Xenon will struggle on non-graphics code. However bad off Xenon will be in that department, the PS3’s Cell will probably be worse. The Cell has only one PPE to the Xenon’s three, which means that developers will have to cram all their game control, AI, and physics code into at most two threads that are sharing a very narrow execution core with no instruction window. (Don’t bother suggesting that the PS3 can use its SPEs for branch-intensive code, because the SPEs lack branch prediction entirely.) Furthermore, the PS3’s L2 is only 512K, which is half the size of the Xenon’s L2. So the PS3 doesn’t get much help with branches in the cache department. In short, the PS3 may fare a bit worse than the Xenon on non-graphics code, but on the upside it will probably fare a bit better on graphics code because of the seven SPEs.”
I know that it was called the Xenon before but for some reason, they kept switching between the names Xbox 360 and Xenon.
For the joe public going for 360, it’s more likely than not now. The 360 is being aimed at a price around $300 and J Allard said that $350 wasn’t out of range but would like to keep it low. While the PS3 is estimated to be about $400 which is not helped by the fact that Sony keeps jacking up thier prices for westerners damn them…lol.
[quote=“Gehpnaet”]I think you pretty much need to time travel to the Genesis/SNES days Robert.
Casual gaming was as strong back then that it is now.In due proportions.
And the Genesis was popular.Very popular.[/quote]
That?s true of course, but even in the MD days there was some sort of respect for Nintendo. Even some of the casuals MD fans were a bit clued up and knew the Snes outperformed the MD when it came to sound ect .
We?ve got a new breed of causals now. I know people that think the PS was the 1st CD based console, the PS2 the 1st Online Console. And that RPG and driving games didn?t start until the PS, even though FF as the number 7 in it (bit of an give away).
And the press are no better. Oh they loved to question SEGA claims of 3 million polygons a second, and how Model 3 DC ports like VF3 were missing about 10 polygons.
Different story with the PS2, and when games like RR5, Tekken Tag fail to live up to the graphical promise of 66 million polygons and emotion, its because they?re rushed (Never mind VF3 port was done in 3 months).
I remember Official PS mag?s when doing Arcade show reports , not covering any Arcade game that wasn?t running on PS based Arcade Hardware.
All in stark contrast to the brilliance of the Saturn Mag, which not only covered SEGA, arcade Hardware, but also PS based Arcade projects as well.
It?s the ignorance that winds me up, and the so-called gamming press should know better, but to them KZ II is running in real time.
I can see GOD himself banning the PS3 as it will be so powerfull it will be able to control the Universe
[quote=“Gehpnaet”]I think you pretty much need to time travel to the Genesis/SNES days Robert.
Casual gaming was as strong back then that it is now.In due proportions.
And the Genesis was popular.Very popular.[/quote]
That was exactly my point. If anyone actually remember that era in gaming Sega was the dominant force in terms of gaming and it was hardly a cult thing as gaming from the nineties onward was always mainstream it was just aimed at a different agegroup than it is now.
Older players i remeber favoured the Genesis due to the sports games that the genesis had a monopoly on lead by EA (due to being the system coming out first with decent sport sims) by the time the SNES got any headway in the market the Genesis and sports was so attached that most gamers,hardcore and casual thought of sega when thinking of playing a football,baseball,hockey or any sports video game.
When the Saturn was announced Sega had just finsished the year with a high with ECCO,ALADDIN,GUNSTAR HEROES and a few others. Sega blew away the arcade crowd with the model 2 games and even high profilre developers like dave Perry was saying how he couldn’t wait to play a saturn version of GUNSTAR.
People was expecting a lot from the Saturn but because of mismanagement and strong competition from Sony it failed in the west. All i’m saying is that don’t expect Sony to remain succesful with PS3.
[quote]When the Saturn was announced Sega had just finsished the year with a high with ECCO,ALADDIN,GUNSTAR HEROES and a few others. Sega blew away the arcade crowd with the model 2 games and even high profilre developers like dave Perry was saying how he couldn’t wait to play a saturn version of GUNSTAR.
People was expecting a lot from the Saturn but because of mismanagement and strong competition from Sony it failed in the west. All i’m saying is that don’t expect Sony to remain succesful with PS3.[/quote]
Here’s was Dave had a to say in EDGE just before the Saturn came out in Japan.
" I am a Sega man at heart, I’m behind Sega all the way. Sega makes worlds best arcade machines and is offering a way to bring them into the home. The best thing Sega has is in the confidence in its brand. Daytona USA is on the way. I placed my order a month ago…".
I have issues of Gamefan and EGM ect and they all said they were expected the Saturn to be number one in the USA (maybe #2 after the new Nintendo machine) . It amazing to see how many gamming mags in the USA were all for SEGA and the Saturn, and didn’t give Sony any chance at all.
Shame them SEGA make this awesome machine only to hand it over to the tossers at SOA/SOE and for them to screw the whole plan up with them backing the 32X instead.
In saying that SEGA JP made a few screws up as well. Really should have more of an effort to try and get SS onboard (that would have killed off the PS in JP) and I’m not happy at SEGA JP puting the brakes on a Saturn version of Eternal Champions (more so after the awesome Mega CD version) and them not geting Sonic the Arcade game as a launch title or porting more of thier System 32 Titles to the Saturn (after all the Saturn was in part based on that Hardware
More good news for all you people that want to see sony crushed and it’s fanboys to stop prancing around the prerendered movies. http://www.gamespot.com/news/2005/06/10/news_6127350.html But I can’t help but think this is a little biased since the guy is from ATI.
[quote]When the Saturn was announced Sega had just finsished the year with a high with ECCO,ALADDIN,GUNSTAR HEROES and a few others. Sega blew away the arcade crowd with the model 2 games and even high profilre developers like dave Perry was saying how he couldn’t wait to play a saturn version of GUNSTAR.
People was expecting a lot from the Saturn but because of mismanagement and strong competition from Sony it failed in the west. All i’m saying is that don’t expect Sony to remain succesful with PS3.[/quote]
Here’s was Dave had a to say in EDGE just before the Saturn came out in Japan.
" I am a Sega man at heart, I’m behind Sega all the way. Sega makes worlds best arcade machines and is offering a way to bring them into the home. The best thing Sega has is in the confidence in its brand. Daytona USA is on the way. I placed my order a month ago…".
I have issues of Gamefan and EGM ect and they all said they were expected the Saturn to be number one in the USA (maybe #2 after the new Nintendo machine) . It amazing to see how many gamming mags in the USA were all for SEGA and the Saturn, and didn’t give Sony any chance at all.
Shame them SEGA make this awesome machine only to hand it over to the tossers at SOA/SOE and for them to screw the whole plan up with them backing the 32X instead.
In saying that SEGA JP made a few screws up as well. Really should have more of an effort to try and get SS onboard (that would have killed off the PS in JP) and I’m not happy at SEGA JP puting the brakes on a Saturn version of Eternal Champions (more so after the awesome Mega CD version) and them not geting Sonic the Arcade game as a launch title or porting more of thier System 32 Titles to the Saturn (after all the Saturn was in part based on that Hardware[/quote]
You may laugh at this but i always felt that ever since Sega made sonic they have been trying to get rid of him. The Saturn if i remember correctly was touting CLOCKWORK KNIGHT as it’s new mascot character which ultimately didn’t work and the Saturn in America at least partly suffered from a lack of a real Sonic game.
To be honest with you,Team Andromeda i always thought Gamefan was more excited about the N64 than the saturn myself but it’s always good to know someone else out there remembers things how they actually were and not how Sony wants people to remember them.
Oh they were all for the N64.
But I was on about when Gamefan did a feature on all of the up coming consoles (even the PC Eng FX) and in that they all said the same thing,
That they couldn?t wait for the Saturn, and that it would be number one (until the N64 came out).
Gamefan and the likes of EGM were all for the Saturn. Shame they SOA/SOE mess the whole thing up with the 32X.
Like I said before people foget that Saturn was outselling the PS on weekly basis in Japan, and at the time of VF II the Saturn was out selling the PS at a raito of 7/1.
So far only SEGA Japan as come close to beating a Sony home console. We all know that if FF7 had come out on the Saturn the PS was have been dead on its feet in Japan
Yeah a lot of people do forget that the Saturn was the numero uno of Japan throughout it’s sales life. It’s fair to say that the Saturn was japan’s “Genesis does” moment when the populance was excited about a company who they basically shunned for inferior machines. Also the advertising campaign like the original sega does/scream seem to capture the mood of the gaming public with he now legendary Segata Shinshiro or whatever. But like the megadrive Sega stopped producing for the Saturn before the market was ready for it to go making their rivals overtake them in sales and “winning” the battle by default.
I always maintained that the PSX was aimed at people who couldn’t play games and have no knowledge of games as well. The fact that Toshiden and later the inferior Tekken series was proclaimed to be better than VIRTUA FIGHTER by these type of players showed the ignorance of these players(If i should call them that.) funny how VIRTUA FIGHTER has left these pretenders to the throne where they belong and is finally recognised by players worldwide as the game with more depth. Another thing is how these people treat their games. If your at a local gamestation shop and see the condition of some of the games people bring back to swap for a new game and money it’s horrendous. “I like to swap my Man City 2004 for Man city 2005” Oh god the games industry has really gone low.
I dunno if you can blame SOE considering they had no power in how to handle the Saturn. SOA can be blamed a bit but so can Sega of Japan. Remember SOA was the ones responsible for making a Sega machine a hit worldwide(Outside of japan) I guess SOJ wanted to prove they could do the same thing but misrably failed. SOJ was n’t too helpful in SOA’s attempts to
produce Saturn versions of Megadrive hits for example.
I dunno if you can blame SOE considering they had no power in how to handle the Saturn. SOA can be blamed a bit but so can Sega of Japan. Remember SOA was the ones responsible for making a Sega machine a hit worldwide(Outside of japan) I guess SOJ wanted to prove they could do the same thing but misrably failed. SOJ was n’t too helpful in SOA’s attempts to
produce Saturn versions of Megadrive hits for example.[/quote]
Oh hell yeah SEGA Japn made a few mess ups ( No Sonic for a Start) but from the very start SEGA Europe and America talked down the Saturn and said the 32X was the future due to its price. Which always craked me up when they were asking ?170 for a 32X with no game, and then ?60 per game.
Also the Saturn would have a better launch in the USA if the likes of Doom, Star Wars, Virtual Racing were made for the Saturn (I day say they would have looked better too) .
It was just impossible to market the Mega Drive, 32X, Saturn, GameGear all at the same time. SOA/SOE should have just backed the Saturn from the start. I’m not saying the Saturn would have been #1 in the US or UK. But it would have sold a hell of lot better if SOA/SOE did wate thier time with the 32X.
Yea, but you know the Sony Fanboys will discredit the statement with something completely off subject pertaining to the theoreticall floating point pixel performance is all that is going to matter or how much the Blue Ray format can hold and that would somehow fix the problem rofl…you can tell I’ve argued this with people before don’t you? lol. I’m also just telling them that the graphics are apples to apples and they still think that somehow the PS3 is a miracle machine. I laugh so much, I cry
