Playstation 3 unvealed

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The problem is, many people have already decided that the PS3 will dominate without question. This time around we will see many more Japanese-born RPGs on Microsoft’s side on top of Oblivion, Fable 2 etc. I could be perfectly content with those western RPGs alone, so I’m not complaining. Japanese RPGs rarely introduce anything new to the genre, and my favourite type of Japanese RPG, the Strategy/RPG, has hardly gained any momentum at all outside of Japan because “gamers” and “RPG fans” lack the patience to immerse themselves in them.

The new consoles will be so powerful that we won’t notice any difference in terms of what’s going on on-screen anyway, so basically, the games themselves will make or break both consoles. I just don’t want to see one console dominate the rest because that gives a console manufacturer too much power.

So, I encourage people to go wherever their gaming habits take them. However… the Xbox 360 shouldn’t suffer from the same drought of Japanese RPGs as its predecessor, and thus, will deprive the PS3 of one of its biggest advantages.

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[quote=“Solo Wing Dragon”]

I’m not prepared to buy an Xbox 360 just because Microsoft have the best chance of crushing Sony. It will need a solid line up of exclusive games (real exclusives, not games that will come out on the PC 6 months to a year later). In many ways, Microsoft isn’t really any different than Sony anyway. I’m sure if they had been in the console wars around the time of the Saturn or Dreamcast they would be just as responsible for the death of the old Sega as people so often blame Sony of being.[/quote]

What I hate about Sony is all the lies and bullsh8t they’ve told and got away with on the PS2.
Fair enough if they beat SEGA fair and square like they did with PS. I mean the PS2 delivered on a lot of Sony?s promises and was a nice clean design for a console with nice tools and libraries ect.

It did makes the Saturn look a bit of a mess in comparisons
Though a lot the Saturns downfall was to do with idiots at SOA/SOE at the time
And their deluded illusions that the 32X was the future and preceded to talk down the Saturn their self?s (hardly a vote of confidence to the consumer).
At least M$ delivered on some it promises with the X-Box like a mark up in Graphics, HDTV and 5.1 support, brilliant online service, all in stark contrast to Sony bull sh8t hype for the PS2.

The only way Sony could take on the DC was to lie through its teeth .
With bullcr8p promises about it online plans.
What happened to all those music and videos PS2 users were going to be able to download ?.
The Fake demo?s like it did with Reiko RR and Bouncer demos let alone the others.
Funny how the only parts that came close to The Bouncer ?so called? Real Time demos , were the FMV clips used in a game…

What happened to all these new emotions people were going to experience in PS2 games (The only one that comes close is ICO)
Funny for that bullsh8t talk not one single PS 2 games as modelled Humans beings and environments as well as an 5 year old DC games called Shenmue.

Then you add in all that rubbish hype of it being banned in China, Iraq because the PS2 could launch missiles, George spilling his tea because the PS2 could handle more calculations than the computers used to make Start Wars EP 1.
Name me one PS2 games that pushes 66 million polygons??? , heck it took nigh on 2 years for a PS2 to outperform a DC game.

Then you add in stuff like the press and developers.
The same developers that hated the Saturn design, loved the PS2 and how you could code to the metal .
The press that question SEGA clams of 3 million plus polygons , and how most of them said the DC real performance would fall somewhere in between Model 2 and Model 3, never once questioned Sony PS2 specs.

And its all happing again.
The press are going round saying 360 games aren?t running on actual 360 console, but instead on development machines (Duh!), but are falling over them self?s to say how good the TruVideo Killzone II looks.

All companies use the odd bad tactic and go overboard with the PR ect.
But how low can you go, than to deliberately make a FMV film to act like its running in real time. That is an all time low for me, yet SONY gets away with it.

That?s why I hate those tossers

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Sony is also not revealing some of their specs because they know that if all of them are released, people will know that the XBox 360 and PS3 have the same graphical capablities which is true. So instead of just telling people the truth, they go off with this floating point pixel and “reality synthesizer” crap to make ppl think, “ooh, that sounds advanced.” The XBox 360 also has some unreleased specs but now not because of the graphics issue, they know that people have already been mislead by Sony, although I do think that when they originally decided to keep those specs from the public, they meant to do what Sony is doing. I’m not saying that either is evil or anything, this is business after all, they just don’t need to keep stuff hidden and then mislead.

And I know that I might get chastised a little for this but I don’t think that Sega pulling out of consoles is because of anyone else, it’s because they’re quitters. Instead of trying, and pushing thier stuff to the limits and try to grow a broad fanbase, they just gave up at any sign of trouble that they could have stood against. Think of it, the Saturn, the 32x, the Jupiter (only made one as a prototype), and the Dreamcast all had a very short lives. I guess you could even call the Jupiter a stillborn system.

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When you’re broke there’s only so much you can do.

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Hm… Quitters? Let’s try this example.

Let’s say you’re a weightlifter, and you’re lifting really heavy weights, and it starts to get really heavy. Let’s say that everyone around you is a steroid-pumping beefcake, and they’re lifting 500+lbs. So, you try to keep up, all the while, your muscles start failing, and you start dislocating limbs. The muscles start tearing… but you’re doing your best to keep up.

Are you a quitter for stopping lifting before the weights fall on your head and kill you?

A bizarre analogy for sure, but I think it gets the point across.

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I would just put it more bluntly as:

There’s a difference between being a quitter and being stupid.

I certainly miss the warm fuzzy feeling of getting a Sega system because I knew I would get games I liked on it, and it’s a lot more annoying now that Sega games are all over the place, but if it’s the difference between a dead company and having them go third party, it’s better third party. How much fun would it be if Sega went bankrupt and EA decided it needed a good platforming mascot and bought Sonic? EA might make a good Sonic game, but would you want them to?

I figure all the Xbox 360 vs PS3 talk is just talk right now. The developer lineups help, but really it’s going to be decided on the store shelves. The casual gamer doesn’t pay attention to any of this; machine specs, internet buzz, etc. It’ll boil down to brand recognition and whoever kicks out the first few must-have games.

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I’m surprised Sony can get away with misleading people like that. Already, people have convinced themselves that the PS3 is twice as powerful as the Xbox 360 based on floating point operation performance alone. Sony is waging a war of numbers and winning, it seems.

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Don’t underestimate the stupidity of people in large groups. :wink:

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I dunno if i can take anymore of this nightmare which is the present games industry if PS3 becomes the dominant console for the next five years.

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But we’ve got to remember that the PS2 was the best all round console of this current generation (by best all round I mean biggest selection of games and genres), so if the PS3 continues this than what else can we expect? The causal gamer would rather buy one console than two separate consoles for Western and Japanese games (Xbox/PC and Gamecube).

If only the Dreamcast had survived longer though, it had an even better lineup than the PS2 when they were both in the game IMO.

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I truely don’t see the point in wanting games because they come from a certain country. No one I know besides about two people think that way. And those two are the kind of people that are obsessed with anything that is japanese, just for the sake of it being japanese. I find this way of thinking very… upsetting I guess I could say.

I also have this piece of info that I never knew about before. Did you know that Sega was created by Americans, in Hawaii? Then they moved to Tokyo and decided to stay there. Service Games of Japan was how they came up with the name. I didn’t know that until I was just searching crap to know more on www.wikipedia.org

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I’ve been mainly a PC and Xbox gamer for the last few years, with the exception of the odd Gameboy Advance game. I miss playing Japanese games. Now you could argue how western games do this or that better, but the bottom line is at least PS2 gamers get the best of both worlds. The style of games on the PS2 are much more varied and it has a good selection of shooters, platformers, and RPGs. There are very few Japanese games on the Xbox, and even less coming out on the PC. So for gamers who want to play all kinds of games, can you blame them for choosing a PS2 over the rest?

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I wasn’t arguing with the fact that the PS2 has a more varied selection of games, I was just saying that I’ll play a game because it’s fun, not becuase of where it’s from.

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[quote=“Solo Wing Dragon”]

But we’ve got to remember that the PS2 was the best all round console of this current generation (by best all round I mean biggest selection of games and genres), so if the PS3 continues this than what else can we expect? The causal gamer would rather buy one console than two separate consoles for Western and Japanese games (Xbox/PC and Gamecube).

If only the Dreamcast had survived longer though, it had an even better lineup than the PS2 when they were both in the game IMO.[/quote]

But aren’t you forgetting on how the PS2 became that dominant? Again Sony has found themselves in a position where their new system will be released around the same period of two main competitors. While i think the goodwill from the customers of the ps1 had a part to play on the success of the Ps2 it doesn’t excuse the blatant baloney and public ignorance that helped kill off a great games machine.

Now Sony is doing it again. But this time they have to contend with two companies after their head. If Sony suckers the public again and the games buying public buys into it i would seriously reconsider my future in playing games in such a soul draining enviroment. It’s time for a change people.

[quote=“Der Metzgermeister”]I truely don’t see the point in wanting games because they come from a certain country. No one I know besides about two people think that way. And those two are the kind of people that are obsessed with anything that is japanese, just for the sake of it being japanese. I find this way of thinking very… upsetting I guess I could say.

I also have this piece of info that I never knew about before. Did you know that Sega was created by Americans, in Hawaii? Then they moved to Tokyo and decided to stay there. Service Games of Japan was how they came up with the name. I didn’t know that until I was just searching crap to know more on www.wikipedia.org[/quote]

Somehow i do think that western gamers will go for the xbox360 and asian gamers will stick with sony.

BTW forget that peice crap of info from Wikedia this is where Sega’s true historical saga lies. it will blow your mind. And i’m not exaggerating when i call it a saga…nay an EPIC of grand porpostions. You’ll laugh,You’ll cry,You’ll be infriuiated and your previous views on certain people in the game industry within sega and without will be changed forever.

So read on in what should make a great tv movie of the week one day…
eidolons-inn.net/segabase/

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[quote=“Geoffrey Duke”]Well my friend is on his third PS2 now, and I know others who are also on their third or fourth. Maybe that’s their fault somehow. :anjou_angry:

.[/quote]

Yeah i hate that type of imply. Geez i guess proffesionals like Shinji Mikami who went through a dozen of Ps2’s and ones treat his machines like dirt as well.

Face it Sony has a history of selling dodgy products for extortionate prices that break down before they should. My NES is over 20 years old and still works like it did when i first got it as a kid as so does my Master system yet the great and powerful Ps2 that could be used to launch weapons can’t even last a fricking year.

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As long as the PS2 isn’t moved around too much it should survive, they’re made with a lower quality lens part to save money, and this eventually breaks. Many people who stand the PS2 up on its side usually go through more than one i’ve noticed.

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About the playstations breaking topic, my cousin does a shitty job at taking care of stuff and his PS2 has been around forever. I don’t know, maybe he just got a good one or everyone else just has bad luck… maybe a mix…

And I read a little of what that thing Goonboy told me to see and it’s just what wikipedia said, only wikipedia summarizes it for the fact that it is an encyclopedia. I don’t know how it was a crap article…

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It was a figure of speech. esides SB was more in depth as articles go and the info from Wikky was most likely copied from that site.

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So we all agree that Sony needs to be destroyed for the good of the games industry? Good. :slight_smile:

Even if there was a technology gap between the new consoles, both are so powerful that we won’t notice the difference. That’s why the games themselves will make or break the next generation platforms. But trying telling that to Sony fanboys who’ve deluded themselves into thinking that an extra terraflop of power means the PS3 is destined to rise above the competition.

The PS3 will lose the two major advantages the PS2 enjoyed: a headstart in the market with no competition standing in its way for months, and a wide range of Japanese RPGs.

Even if Microsoft stole 10 million more users from Sony, that would balance the scales quite a bit.

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[quote=“Geoffrey Duke”]So we all agree that Sony needs to be destroyed for the good of the games industry? Good. :slight_smile:

Even if there was a technology gap between the new consoles, both are so powerful that we won’t notice the difference. That’s why the games themselves will make or break the next generation platforms. But trying telling that to Sony fanboys.

The PS3 will lose the two major advantages the PS2 enjoyed: a headstart in the market with no competition standing in its way for months, and a wide range of Japanese RPGs.

Even if the Xbox 360 stole 10 million users from Sony, that would balance the scales quite a bit.[/quote]

Hell Yeah, But I’ve wanted that ever since Dec 1994.
Still amazing to think that for all the flak SEGA gets these days.
Its only SEGA Japan that gave Sony any sort of an bloody nose (until SS came onboard), Not even M$ with all its billion, came close to what SEGA JP did for the first 2 years of the Saturn life.

Amway I?m all for Sony being crushed , but the one problem I have is Shooters.
The PS2 as been the console of choice for some fine 2D shooters, and if you were a Japanese developer you be more inclided to back the PS3 when it came to porting shooters from the Arcades ect.

I like to see M$ Jp trying to get some of TATIO Type X boards shooters ported to the 360, and then trying to get the likes of Treaure and G-Rev (love these guys) to make some shooters of the 360.

Shooters are the only reason, other than SEGA JP backing the PS3 to the hilt. That I will even think about getting a PS3 this gen