Then why are you gaming at all if it’s not satisfying and fulfilling?
Then why are you gaming at all if it’s not satisfying and fulfilling?
I do it for the simple reason of seeing where technology is headed. I actually have not sat down and played through a game for several years now because, as I said before, they lack depth, and they all treat their audience like a bunch of morons. If I wanted to play or watch this dumbed down shit, I’d fucking buy a Disney movie!
If companies want my hard earned cash, then they need to start treating me with a little respect and stop insulting my intelligence. Why do you think games today suck so damn much? It’s because you morons keep forking out like the good, worthless consumers you are, thus nothing ever changes. It is you people who need a freaking wake up call!
For every Fifa Street there is a Katamari.
For every 7 Sins there is an ICO.
There are new games out there that push gaming into genres we hadn’t even imagined back in the 90’s, and declaring all new gaming as shit based on purely the games you’ve pirated is laughable. If you really hate new games that much, don’t play them. If you play them just to “experience where technology is headed”, read some articles on the net instead.
^Agreed. Surely you would concede, Kadamose, that evolution in technology in technology has evolved game design and introduced more complex styles of gameplay. Granted, the wheel hasn’t exactly been reinvented, but games have matured.
The graphics may have become prettier over the years, but that’s it - and at what price? Gameplay is severely lacking, storylines are more pathetic than ever, the only difference is they aren’t completely text driven like they were in the earlier days, and now have horrendous English dubbing! Woot! And when was the last time you heard a decent game soundtrack?
No, gaming definitely is REGRESSING and NOT evolving.
Lol…
Maybe you shouldn’t be here then, instead find a place where people of your superior intelligence gather and chat about the various ways they can solve hunger and end all wars (somehow using nanotechnology to create a paradise of cat-eared half-naked women perhaps?).
As for your other points, nothing you said did anything against my last reply really, they only were more futile attempts to justify what you do. You don’t need video games to show you where technology is going and you certainly don’t need to pirate them to see that as you can download videos, view screenshots, read articles, or gasp download legal demos.
As for not having played through any games in years, well, that’s another reason you really should just stop caring altogether instead of pirate them. You can be sure that if a new PDS appears you’ll hear about it even if you haven’t pirated every single game out there until that point.
Technology moves forward with or without games, you don’t need to waste your time with “shit” as you call them to keep up with it. There have been many good games (already mentioned by others here) and you simply chose to call them all “shit” for no reason other than to justify what you say about pirating. Which you fail at doing anyway.
I simply think you’ve been playing (sorry, downloading) the wrong games. Zelda: Four Swords Adventures has gameplay in spades. Killer 7 oozes style. Silent Hill 2 had the issues of euthanasia and child abuse at its core. Resident Evil 4 is simply a lot of fun.
When was the last time you sat down and listened to one?
Masashi Hamauzu - Unlimited Saga
Kumi Tanioka - Final Fantasy : Crystal Chronicles/Code Age Commanders
Hitoshi Sakimoto - Final Fantasy 12/Tactics Ogre series
Fumie Kumatani et al - Phantasy Star Online series
Masato Koda et al - Monster Hunter series
Tetsuya Shibata/Kento Hasegawa - Devil May Cry 3
Yuzo Koshiro - Shenmue
…have all composed some really great soundtracks.
Your opinion holds no weight. You openly admit you haven’t played a single game through to completion in years, and your general reasons include such classy terms as “morons”, “dumbed down shit” and “suck”.
Want to clarify?
You would do good in getting some rest and then post here Gearguy.We don’t like those kind of insults around here.I know I don’t…
Dude, I’m only picking at Kadamose.
All he’s doing is trolling - why don’t you pick on him and say something like
"Hey you know we don’t like trolling morons around here!"
You can’t fail to see my point.
What he’s doing is the equivelant of saying
“Hmmm, all music these days is really rubbish, I don’t like any of it - so I’m going to download all of it and stick it on my iPOD!”
Rince and repeat.
Ring a ding ding
I’m with Gehpnaet.
Kadamose at least put his point across with what appears to be an IQ in double figures. Your “reply” is something I wouldn’t have found funny when I was learning to walk.
Kadamose isn’t even putting over any valid points to be honest.
His attitude, taking his points into account, is still very much “I’m right because you’re crap”.
Regardless of what his points are, he can’t justify piracy at all.
Yould you go into a shop and STEAL something that you thought was crap?
EXACTLY.
All I have been able to make out from this guys posts so far is that he hates games because they’re not as good as they used to be even though they are improving graphically.
So that makes it ok to pirate them!
If you think about Kadamose… for at least maybe two or three seconds;
he doesn’t come over as having an IQ at all.
Mild mental illness ,maybe, as he does indeed contradict himself.
What he is basically saying is that it is ok to download games you don’t like.
Now this is technically a form of stealing, but if you REALLY think about it - would you steal something that you didn’t like?
No.
Yes the world is comming to an end, and the fact that I used my SNK-Capcom.com form of insults on this board has brought is just a tad closer.
Just because my sense of humor is different from yours it doesn’t mean I don’t have an IQ.
Yes, Joe Bloggs doesn’t like simple games, that makes it ok to pirate them - GREAT POINT!
Or is it?
What does he define as a game with depth?
Most people assume depth to be interlated to Story because their brains cannot comprehend the fact that depth can come from the simplest of concepts if executed perfectly.
Ikaruga and Psyvariar are examples of simple games that generate depth through their simplicity.
This is further evidence that Joe Bloggs only cares about story.
He wants his games to be pretty movies that have deep and involving story lines. Games like Afterburner, Tetris and Radiant Silvergun would be lost on him as there is very little to offer in the “deep story” department.
Another great point!
I steal because I’m not willing to pay!
Yeah… and the whole part about not being as good as PDS says “FANBOY” rather than “IQ”
I could argue with this.
Lots of people have been arrested and prosecuted for pirating games in the past.
If you chose to pay ?29.99 game or risk being fined figures that can go into the quad. figured. I know what I consider a bigger risk. There’s also this little thing called initiative, you can figure out what games you think you’d like. No one is asking you to buy every goddamned game until you find one that YOU define as being as good as PDS. You could say that for any generation of consoles. If you bought EVERY game on the Saturn you’d find there are just as many “simple” games as there are today. Of course, with no games having a deep involving story anymore, that makes it fine to pirate them.
He is also obviously intentionally pirating crap games to make himself feel as if what he is doing is justified. Since there are plenty of games available today that aren’t “severely lacking” he has obviously not bothered to play any of the good ones, or has indeed bought them but just pretends he pirates everything to make himself look h4rd on the intern3ts.
Again he mentions story.
Super monkey ball is a fun game - yet no story. A story was added to the second installment, but it didn’t enhance the game.
Fantastic tails of dragons and magic aren’t required for a game to be good.
There are plenty of games out there with great plot lines that involve little to no gameplay.
[quote]And when was the last time you heard a decent game soundtrack?
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OH so he doesn’t like the music - that’s another reason to download a game instead of buying it! Again this attitude simply says “I’m write because I don’t like this new skoo stuff, you’re wrong because you do”.
You see games are an unessecary addition to life. You can’t justify what is essentially THEFT of intelectual property.
If Joe Bloggs wants to see where technology is headed, then Joe Bloggs should pay as Mr. Bloggs does not NEED games. Games are a WANT. An unessecary part of life, a luxuary item. If Joe Bloggs can’t be bothered paying, then Joy blogs gets a blind fold to technology as his reword.
I don’t know why I’m even bothering to try justifying what I do; my words fall on deaf ears anyway. But I’m going to try arguing anyway, since this has become a debate contest.
First I would like to point out the reasons why I pirate:
To ‘demo’ a game without handicaps (sorry, but those crappy ass demos and short video clips you can download are a fucking joke, and don’t offer the hands-on experience necessary to give an honest review)
To piss companies off (maybe getting them angry might make them get out of their little rut and do something different? If they can’t do something different, they don’t deserve to be where they’re at in the first place.)
Save money ($50-$70 is a pathetic price for ANY game, inflation values included. If the stupid suits would get some brains and actually sell their goods at the same price as a paperback bestseller, then things would be alot different. In the end, it’s all about price.)
By the way, piracy should not be considered theft because it does NOT involve stealing PHYSICAL goods. The so called ‘goods’ in question, are in fact, just a bunch of 1s and 0s that can be replicated indefinitely. The supply and demand factor involved is, in fact, a manufactured scarcity. Therefore, using an analogy like ‘piracy is like going into a store and stealing a game off the shelf’ is a load of shit - nothing was stolen, and no one was presented with a loss of a physical product; therefore, technically, no theft is involved because no loss is generated. And don’t use the ‘it was the loss of potential revenue’ excuse either, because I wouldn’t have bought the damn game anyway, nor would any other pirate that I know of.
I’ve been pirating software for over a decade now, and one thing I have noticed is the quality of the software has dramatically been reduced. A good analogy would be to compare 80s music to 90s music…(all 80s music was good, and most of the 90s and beyond sucked with an occasional golden hit every now and then). The same analogy can be applied to this case. The main reason why software sucks so much nowadays is because companies don’t care about their product anymore - they’re only in it to make a quick buck, just like everyone else is in this forsaken world. So how do you go about reversing this trend? Do you keep buying their rubbish, making them rich and happy in the process, just so that they can continue to use the same formula over and over again? While I admit that piracy probably isn’t the answer to change their idiotic perspective on things, it surely is better than the alternative: buying a half-assed ‘product’.
[quote=“gearguy”]Dude, I’m only picking at Kadamose.
All he’s doing is trolling - why don’t you pick on him and say something like
"Hey you know we don’t like trolling morons around here!"
You can’t fail to see my point.
What he’s doing is the equivelant of saying
“Hmmm, all music these days is really rubbish, I don’t like any of it - so I’m going to download all of it and stick it on my iPOD!”
Rince and repeat.
Ring a ding ding[/quote]
My opinion is that everyone is entitled to speak nonsense as long as that person isn’t spamming.This doesn’t seem the case…You don’t have to reply to him if you don’t want.Insulting tho, is not pretty.
You can’t justify what you do because what you are doing is not justifyable.
Games cost money for a reason. It takes a lot more money to develop a game than it does to write a book so your anology is rather useless. Have you ever heard of a book being written by 50 people over a timespan of 2 years? rolly eyes NO.
Piracy should be considered theft. When you buy software you are not buying the software, you are buying the right to USE the software.
Think about it from a games companies point of view, you spend 2 years, up day and night making a game - only to have some f-tard download it.
It is not physical theft, but theft of intellectual property. So what if it’s 1s and 0s? Those 1s and 0s are arranged in such a fashion, that they create a product viable for sale and people have worked long and hard to create that product.
If you don’t like it - that’s not their problem. Think about it, if you spent YEARS developing a game for sale, someone doesn’t like it… yet they download it.
You’d be asking them:
What are you?
Stupid?
And don’t give me any of that “oh I wouldn’t mind” crap as if you did mind your game would be free in the first place.
Also you’re probably not angering development companies at all, they probably are totally unaware of you. And if they do find you out, they’ll take you to court - ignore whatever nonsense you spout and sue the shit out of you! Also not only the games companies can charge you for this, trading standards / your countries equivelant can also prosecute you for criminal acts involving copyright.
ANYTHING can be ‘pirated’. You get fake iPods, Pokemon Cards, Books, Cars and Watches etc. This is not physical theft, but theft of intellectual property - copyright theft.
Piracy is wrong from a moral level, and is totally selfish. “Why pay money for something I want?”
Exactly, something YOU as an individual do not NEED to live.
Therefore it is not excusable.
You can’t simply, essentially, steal from companies just to satisfy your **want **to keep up with technology.
Games are not a nessecity to life - if you can’t affoard them, then that’s your problem.
If you dislike todays games then essentially you’re waisting your DVD-Rs, and Bandwidth.
Anyway I’ve deleted my previous post if that makes all the civil people happy.
I’m just not civil, I don’t aspire to be welcomming or pleasant to other people.
Maybe that should show you that your logic is flawed as the companies (according to you again) don’t do better despite all the pirating. Therefor rendering half of your points for pirating obsolete and even showing you that it’s a possibility your activities get the opposite results that you claim you want to achieve.
Also, don’t respond to just half of people’s posts in order to make more silly points. I didn’t only say download demos to sample the games, I said read articles as well. A variety of articles, a demo and common sense are more than enough to make you realise if you will like or dislike any given game.
And that point wasn’t even arguing with “sampling a game”, it was arguing with your silly point of pirating games to see where technology is going.
Anyway I’ll answer to your supposed points in the order you wrote them:
as above, no, demos aren’t enough to give an honest review, but they are certainly enough to know if you will love or hate any given game. You aren’t a reviewer.
companies won’t be pissed off because they don’t have feelings as a company isn’t a person and the persons that do run it certainly don’t put ‘feelings’ as one of their qualifications.
A more likely result is that a company that keeps losing money will keep restricting the developers’ artistic freedom, keep understaffing the team, keep underpaying them and keep making worse and worse games.
Again, you are basicaly helping in degrading the quality of games.
games are luxury goods, not necessary ones, so they can charge whatever the hell they like for them and there is no excuse whatsoever for pirating them. If they are too expensive for you, find other entertainment activities or simply restrict the number of games you aquire. Maybe then you’ll actually use some common sense and do some research to only buy good things instead of pirate all the junk out there and then come here to claim that all games suck.
Maybe if you keep making up reasons every time one of your flawed points is countered you will eventually come up with something we won’t be able to say anything against so keep trying I guess.
I may or may not have engaged in piracy activities in the past but I never tried to convince myself and others that it was for a just cause or justified in any way as it never is and even attempting such a thing is incredibly silly to say the least.
Well, my ultimate goals in life are:
So, you have to start somewhere. I’ll be honest and say I don’t intend to buy another game until PDS II comes out, if it ever does. And even then, I am only doing so to humor the develepors.
Maybe if you were smart enough you could develop a mass destruction weapon that would sort of achieve those goals since there would be no humans left to form those things. But you aren’t, therefor you might as well set new goals that are possible for you to achieve. Perhaps graduating a decent school should be the first.