[quote=“Team Andromeda”]
Swtiching a console is not illegal at all, Only modding is, thanks to altering the machines bios and thats the illegal part .[/quote]
Actually, thanks to Sony et al, that counts as modding.
[quote=“Team Andromeda”]
Swtiching a console is not illegal at all, Only modding is, thanks to altering the machines bios and thats the illegal part .[/quote]
Actually, thanks to Sony et al, that counts as modding.
Just so you all know, a modchip for the PS2 is NOT required to play backups - that is, of course, if you have a ‘chubby’ PS2 model and not the slimline version. There is a memory card exploit available which will allow you to play ORIGINALS and BACKUPS off the hard drive. Here is what you need:
-Memory Card Exploit (you can download it at ps2hd.com)
-PS2 Ethernet Adapter (to hook Hard Drive up)
-Hard Drive (Any hard drive will work other than Western Digital brands)
-HDLOADER .07c (download at ps2hd.com)
-PS1 CD (this will act as the boot loader)
This is the method I use to play all of my backups on my PS2 with no hassle at all - oh, and did I mention there are NO LOAD TIMES? It’s worth every penny, imo.
[quote=“Arcie”]
Swtiching a console is not illegal at all, Only modding is, thanks to altering the machines bios and thats the illegal part .
Actually, thanks to Sony et al, that counts as modding.[/quote]
Nope, In Europe you can’t put a agreement of use liscence on physical hardware - only software (The BIOS for Example).
Multiregion chips don’t modify the BIOS, just the hardware, so technically it IS legal. Sony have tried multiple times to stop people from modding consoles and multipl times they have been bitch smacked and sent home crying.
What you people need to realize, is mod, means any alteration. If you doodle on your console with spray paint - that’s a mod.
It’s hacking software that’s illegal if it is stated against in the liscence agreement. You can install stuff on the Xbox withoud moddifying it at all or even altering the original files.
GOD BLESS MICROSOFT AND THEIR BUGGY SH*TE =D
Well, the mod-chip industry has pretty much vanished over here in recent years, so something has become illegal…
Thank goodness for firmware exploits, huh? (i.e. PSP)
What do you mean vanished?
I live in the UK, and there are lots of mod shops I know of that have been modding since the beginning.
It’s Sony’s fault really, Sony are against people selling modded consoles - but regardless of how much they say they can sue you for installing a mod chip, they can’t.
It’s a scare, most people are getting scared by Sony’s claims, which is exactly what Sony wanted.
Sony say you can’t make games for the PSP without an official Development kit - this is legally not true. Under law you are allowed to develop non-profit applications for any platform you chose as long as this application is not maliscious in any form.
I hardly think ports of open source titles such as Quake are maliscious?
(yes, Quake one two and three are open source - FREE!)
Don’t listen to Sony.
Sony have “restrictions” that PlayStation1/2/P games must conform to before they can be granted release.
Do you know what one of them is?
The title screen must read
"Press (insert name of button) Button"
Titles that only say “Press Start” without button after it don’t get permitted release, hence why games that only say “Press Start” in arcades have “Button” added on the end in the PS2 versions, and nothing added on the end in the Xbox versions.
As a UK gamer, were you not aware of the Welsh guy a few months back who actually got tried and then fined in court just for owning a modded Xbox?
It dends what type of mod, like I said.
Remember?
If he altered the XBOX BIOS or OS then yes, he could well get fined.
Also take into account legan anomolies - people do sometimes get fined for activities that are legal, which is a mistake on the law’s behalf.
But even if they do make it illegal to mod consoles, we should make a stand and still do it.
It’s people who bend over and take shit from the courts up the ass that let them make it illegal.
Plus, where did I say anything about MS? I was talking about Sony.
It’s our god given right do whatever the hell we want with PHYSICAL posession. The only thing the EULA (END USER LISCENCE AGREEMENT) applies to is software.
Under law, they can only fine you if you alter the software. Unless the “XBOX” is classified as liscenced rather than owned, but it’s not.
Under Law, the EULA doesn’t apply to the hardware unless it is “rented” rather than owned, the only EULA on the Xbox, is stored in its operating system and only talks about the software. The XBOX is “owned” under law if you buy it.
In france it’s Illegal to own MP3s, at all, even for legitimate puspouses.
Just because the law says something, it does not mean it is right.
Fuck the law.
EULAs aren’t the law either way. Often companies include ridiculous terms that would simply get dismissed in court.
Yes, but stuff like not being allowed to install on more than one PC, modify or reverse engineer is acceptable to the courts in an EULA.
As technically you don’t own the software. You own the liscence to use it. And in order to own the liscence to use it - you have to agree with the terms of use (and legally, using the software means you have agreed).
While in many cases, yes they get thrown out of court, a lot of cases do have a valid cause.
And the lawe is being altered all the time to make it more palletable for large financial corporations who’s favourite pass-time is sueing their user base (Sony for example).
Who cares about the ethics? Considering how much shit is out there, and how little quality is being reproduced due the lack of talent/ideas, piracy is not only well-founded, but is also well-deserved. Simply put, if these companies want a bountiful harvest in the future, they need to stop planting shit - and so far, that’s all they’ve planted.
That’s the same with anything though - does that mean it’s OK to pirate The Shawshank Redemption/Gone With the Wind/Sin City because Uwe Boll decides to make another BloodRayne film?
There are some truely great, boundary-pushing games this generation, and there are also some that bring back happy memories of how gaming used to be too - you just need to look past the top ten.
Well…
Your post would have been more welcome if it was on Topic, incase you hadn’t noticed we’re talking about modification to play imports, not whether it’s ok or not to pirate games.
We’re talking about modding to play games from different countries, which is totally legal, as it is just as legal to bounce a ball in the park that you bought on holiday in Japan.
Granted, some modders use “mods” for illegal purpouses, but they are essentially just abusers of freedom.
If you took the attitude that modding ir wrong because you can play “pirates” with it - then CD-RW and DVD_RW drives are also wrong.
Which just isn’t the case.
Breach of copyright law not only encompases piracy - but also encompases letting your friends borrow your copyrighted material among a multitude of other topics (unless expressed otherwise by the copyright holder).
IDSoftware recently made the Quake III Source for PC free - if you download it and make an XBOX version from it - this is legal in most countries, infact the only country I can thgink of where it would be illegal is France - where the government are idiots. This is an example of a legal use for a Mod Chip along with import gaming.
I believe that in some issues, copyright laws are taken a tad to far from a moral standpoint. Such as the MP3 fiasco going on in FRANCE right now.
Sony is rapidly changing thei attitude towards import gaming though - They are accepting that people want to play imports now and only persuing people who like to infringe copyright acts.
The upcomming PS3 is multi-region, for example.
One issue though with Sony - is that they are still anti homebrew. And legally, they can do sod all about Joe Bloggs making his own version of DOOM for the PS2.
This should clear things up:
http://www.pressstartonline.co.uk/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=325&Itemid=70
That’s a direct contradiciton of the “Constitutional Rights”…
Even in the UK.
In the past people have tried taking people who mod consoles to court and had their cases thrown out.
Where I live there are lots of shops that “chip” consoles and nobody give a toss - even the police who are located a short walk away from one of the shops who do it.
What annoys me is they just say “moddification” of consoles.
Moddification can include replacing LCDs or anything!
I mod games consoles! I modded my own Saturn to play imports with a 74157 chip.
Modifying something that YOU physically own, is a constitutional freedom, and this “law” as it were is in direct contradiction of it.
So this is what the world is comming to!
Democracy is slowly becomming comunism!
bloody great!
Fuck Europe and their stupid Union.
Do you know that it is also illegal to call Kilts, KILTS?! YOu have to call them “Scottish skirts” now on trade forms and you have to class them as Womens wear.
Another thing that is illegal to put on trade forums is “Yogurt” - it has to be written as “Cultured Milk” now.
The Law is getting fucking rediculous.
Everyone in the UK is a criminal under law now :anjou_embarassed:
I’m not sure what yoghurt and Kilts hace to do with console moding, but I do agree that this whole protection of the home market (by country code) is ridiculous and was probably just invented to make marketing peoples work easier.
Pretty shite isn’t it. Far too broad.
Piracy should be illegal, doing what you want with your own stuff should be legal. End of.
At least the Australian government (among others) has sense enough to realise that this and that making big companies happy isn’t the priority.
[quote=“Grumbler”]Pretty shite isn’t it. Far too broad.
Piracy should be illegal, doing what you want with your own stuff should be legal. End of.
At least the Australian government (among others) has sense enough to realise that this and that making big companies happy isn’t the priority.[/quote]
Mod chips have been an on-again-off-again proposition for years here in Australia. The High Court (highest court of appeal in Aust.) ruled in favour of modding for importing purposes. Sony sued a guy who modded consoles from his house. So while it’s been given the okay not many modding companies want to touch PS2s just because it seems to be too much hassle.
Piracy is good - especially for me who refuses to pay for games. If all games were as deep and as perfect as PDS, ONLY THEN would it warrant a purchase. On that note, I would like to point out that the last game I purchased was clear back in 2003…and it was Panzer Dragoon Orta. Being the mediocre game it is, it normally wouldn’t have warranted a purchase - but my desire for a Saga remake/sequel, and the fact that I love all the Ex-TA members, got the best of me - and I’m hoping it was worth every penny.
Anyone can program a game (and everyone is) and everyone can market it - however, it doesn’t mean that the game is any good, and it doesn’t mean it’s worth anything. Until these retarded game companies actaully start giving me what I want (none of them have, yet), then they are going to continue to feel the brunt of my modded consoles and my 10 Mbit connection.
The best part about piracy is there’s absolutely NO RISK. Free truly is better.
if it’s nothing you actually want, why bother pirating it at all? Pirating it doesn’t make the statement “I don’t want your shit so do better”, it makes the statement “I want your shit but I’m cheap and pirating is easy so you have to find better protection methods like StarForce”. These excuses you want to present as some sort of ideals are not the way to go and don’t justify what you do in any way. You aren’t going to convince anyone (not even yourself).