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no, no, i call freewill crap. you called “being able to do what you want” freewill, which (as i explained) is not free at all.
Bleh. In your first two long posts, you spend the first half explaining why there’s no free will, and in the second half you make all kinds of statements assuming the very thing you’ve just denied. I’d go back and highlight them all, but I already have.
I am now officially tired and cranky, which means it’s time to get the hell off the internet. Toodles. Sorry again about the Brit thing.
It isn’t.
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It isn’t.[/quote]
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Ok, man, you take up the banner if you want. I’m done.
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It isn’t.[/quote]
Explain why.
My explanation reside sin the fact that you can’t explain why it couldn’t exist.
That’s what you tried to do but your theory is flawed.
Why can’t we be punished by something we were always meant to do?
Assuming we don’t have free will which we do.Even if there was a thing called destiny (whcih there isn’t : there resides the whole point of choosing the path of evil or good) that doens’t meant destiny isn’t simply the outcome of our free will.Everytime we were called to choose we did.That’s free will.
It’s as possible to disprove the existence of God as it is to prove he does exist. Over the course of history everything we think we come to know about God has been at one point written by human hand, and we can’t assume what those writings came forth or what they truly mean.
Just because you can’t solidly prove something (God exists) doesn’t mean isn’t true, at the same time doesn’t mean it is. To each his own…
You called down the thunder. Now reap the whirlwind. 
I already did, I believe. And I had a helluva lot of fun doing it.
THERE ARE TWO DIFFERENT KINDS OF FREEWILL. by realizing the the first kind does not exists, you understand the game of the second kind better.
i suspect it was my poor organization that is giving you problems, if this is so, try taking the second part figuratively.
gehn, i already know i’ll never be able to convince you but does it really make sense to you to be punished for something when you could not do otherwise?
when you get older take some philosophy classes, i think you’ll find them very interesting.
Please don’t try to make me seem ridiculous.For all we know (suposing there is a God) he/she/it can do what he/she/it wants.He/she/it could be a sadistic god.
I wasn’t really defending that scenario : I was only trying to show people that when it comes to Gods human justice means nothing.
A god doens’t have a rule book does he/she/it?Gods make their own rules.Punishment for the just?These are all human concepts.It hasn’t have to be like this.
(PS:In case youdidn’t get it I’m not saying I think this is the case.I’m just brainstorming.)
Ok, yes, this is definitely where my problem is. To keep things straight, I’m going to take a stab at defining the two different types, so we can know exactly what it is we’re talking about.
Freewill Type 1: Each decision an individual faces has many possible outcomes. The outcome which is actually chosen may be influenced, but not predetermined, by everything that has happened to that individual up to the the point of making the decision.
Freewill Type 2: Each decision an individual faces has only one possible outcome, which is predetermined by everything that has happened to that individual up to the point of making the decision. Though the individual may feel as though there were many possible outcomes, in reality there was only one.
What I’m saying is that freewill type 2 is not freewill at all.
i see, that certainly is one possibility but typically those who believe in god do not believe that. i didn’t mean to make you seem ridiculous, i just know that you are younger than i am and the schools are probably not offering philosophy classes at that stage.
those weren’t quite the two i was thinking of.
Freewill Type 1: if i come to a T intersection, i have the power to choose to go left or right. i go right. that choice was made of my own “freewill”.
Freewill Type 2: the libertarian view of freewill is that we are completely free, all of our choices come from something internal.
i’m saying that type 2 is a whimsical notion that doesn’t exist AT ALL and that type 1 isn’t truly freewill because my decision was determined by my life experiences, the physical state of my brain, and my current situation.
so to clarify, when i said “if that’s what you want to call freewill” i was referring to TYPE 1 because that is the only type that i believe in.
Ok, that’s more or less what I was getting at as far as the types go. I’ll use your types and numbers from here on out.
Would you agree then that in type 1 freewill the only possible outcome of your choice was to go right?
If so, how do you justify the following statement:
If not, then how is type 1 not truly freewill?
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yes, i think we are communicating now.
[quote=“Bluefoot”]If so, how do you justify the following statement:
If not, then how is type 1 not truly freewill?[/quote]
earlier i said that when you realize that you are not in control, you gain more control of your life. i still earnestly mean that. think about it. it is true that there is only one way that your life will end up, but if you know the process by which your brain makes decisions, you knew what information it checked with before making a decision, you could - in the present - set your brain up to make decisions that you would like to make later on. and if you do this correctly, you might end up in a better situation that just crossing bridges when you come to them. that is what i meant by you gain more control of your life.
fate has conspired to have me here telling you these things and your reaction to this pearl of wisdom was decided before i even asked the question. wether you understand what i am saying or not, wether you accept or reject what i’m saying, wether you forget or remember to practice what i am saying, how persistent i am in trying to get you to accept what i am saying has already been determined, so neither of us are truly free.
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