Another Sega title headed for PS2

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[quote=“Al3xand3r”]

So, since when does a sloppy conversion of a game characterise a whole system? Is the Sega Saturn WORSE than the PSOne in 2D simply because of the crappy conversion of Castlevania Symphony of the Night which was getting slowdowns and lacked several effects of the PSOne version? No? Yeah, that’s what I thought…[/quote]

What the frell are you talking about?! Castlevania:SOTN on the Saturn is considered by gamers and the press alike, the BETTER version of the two and the psx could n’t even handle any of the Streetfighter Zeroes properly so use a better example. but of course are you gonna try and REWRITE that fact too, by claiming it is n’t? Feh.

The fact is that the PS2 is the poor relation. The fact that people rush out to defend such a terrible terrible console and trash the superior NGC is beyond me. If it was the other way round and Nintendo made a machine similar to the PS2 and Sony made something along the lines of the NGC
i suspect people like you would trash the PS2 Nintendo version.

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Congratulations on not being able to recognise a joke when it jumps up and bites you on the nose.[/quote]

The fact that you took that last comment seriously goes too show that your a little uptight.

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Um, what gaming sites have YOU been reading? Castlevania SOTN on the Saturn looks inferior to its PlayStation counterpart. The same goes for Megaman X4.

It goes both ways though. Thunderforce V looks cleaner on the Saturn than it does on the PlayStation. So does Grandia.

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I’m talking about at the time the game was released heralded as being a vast improvement over it’s PSX counterpart. Added extra levels,Puzzle/RPG elements,extra characters and the whole shabang. I dunno what mags you guys have been reading but DRACULA X/Castlevania’s Saturn version was very well received. I’m not intrested what some website reviewer thinks of the game he probably can’t clock.

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Which has any relevance to the graphics, how?

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[quote=“Goonboy Panzer”]

What the frell are you talking about?! Castlevania:SOTN on the Saturn is considered by gamers and the press alike, the BETTER version of the two and the psx could n’t even handle any of the Streetfighter Zeroes properly so use a better example. but of course are you gonna try and REWRITE that fact too, by claiming it is n’t? Feh.

The fact is that the PS2 is the poor relation. The fact that people rush out to defend such a terrible terrible console and trash the superior NGC is beyond me. If it was the other way round and Nintendo made a machine similar to the PS2 and Sony made something along the lines of the NGC
i suspect people like you would trash the PS2 Nintendo version.[/quote]

We were talking graphics, you made it sound like the bad port of Sonic Heroes for PS2 was somehow the proof that the PS2 is completely shit.

So, I simply gave an example/proof of how ports don’t mean shit, since the Sega Saturn, the King of 2D, had some 2D games perform inferior to the PS versions.

Yes, the Saturn SOTN had ONE extra area, and yes it also had ONE extra playable character, Maria, (let’s not exagerate and make it like the game had many things added, it didn’t), however, graphics wise it was inferior to the PS version with missing effects (I think the great atmospheric transparent fog was one of them but don’t quote me on that) and suffered from extra slowdown (the PS version also had some of that but since it was when you earned an item and such I can’t be sure if it was a performance hit or a “feature”). Basically proof that ports don’t mean shit. Not proof that the Saturn was REALLY worse at 2D or whatever you tried to make my post sound like with your reply.

Oh, and, please show me where exactly I bashed the NGC or even hailed the PS2. After reading such comments I think it’s obvious I’m NOT the one who is “rewriting facts”.

Countering a point you make is not suddenly saying that I think the PS2 is the best and/or that the NGC sucks (WTF?) or whatever you had in mind when you wrote that post, so, please try and be less aggressive and/or accusive (is that a word?) and reply properly… Or not reply at all, I’m fine with that too.

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Point is the ps2 will never be regarded as a great game machine like the Saturn is. For such a system that gets total reverence from gamers who like to shoot down anyone who dares to criticise it, SONIC HEROES should have been better but it was n’t. And that reflects on the system it’s on. There are several games i can point out that has just as many problems with it for such a “fine” system. The DC outclassed this machine easily.

PSU is too big to run properly on such a waste of space. But go ahead and buy it for that peice of junk if you want to as your gonna keep making pathetic excuses to defend an obviously badly made machine. It’s like saying you perfer mody loaf of bread over a fresh one. We live in a democracy after all. it just happens that we live in one where all the masses vote for the wrong candidates like bush.

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Does the machine itself really matter? Shouldn’t all that matter is whether or not you enjoy the games that are on that machine?

Sure, when you’ve got multiple SKUs of the same title, you want the “best” one, but for the most part, does it really matter? The fact that the game is on the PS2 does nothing to detract from my enjoyment of said game. I’m still playing Katamari Damacy and I’ll be damned if I’m not having a grand ol’ time :smiley:

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Sonic Heroes was pretty crap on all platforms, mate. If you’re talking in terms of graphics, I don’t see any major differences at first glance.

The PS2 is not a great game machine, you are correct. It is, however, the one that is selling in it’s millions, and that is what matters in terms of marketability.

Oh, and incidentally, the fact that I took your point too seriously, Goonboy? About the eating shit/McDonalds thing? Nice try on brushing off your own error. If you had not meant the comment to be serious, then you made a pretty good attempt at hiding it.

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It’s rather unsettling to see Sega fans defend the PS2. :anjou_happy:

For the record… the PS2 version of Sonic Heroes is a joke with ugly jagged lower resolution textures drawn in a lower color depth on top of frequent bouts of slowdown. I assure you, bad programming wasn’t to blame. It’s simply a case of the PS2 straggling far behind the other consoles on the market. This isn’t even open for debate.

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[quote=“Goonboy Panzer”]There are several games i can point out that has just as many problems with it for such a “fine” system.

But go ahead and buy it for that peice of junk if you want to as your gonna keep making pathetic excuses to defend an obviously badly made machine. It’s like saying you perfer mody loaf of bread over a fresh one. We live in a democracy after all. it just happens that we live in one where all the masses vote for the wrong candidates like bush.[/quote]

Whene did I say it’s such a “fine” system? When did I say I’m going to buy a PS2? What’s with the need to react to things people never said and in such a bad way? Did you even read my last reply? I’m out of this discussion if it continues like this :anjou_sigh:

It’s rather unsettling to see the Sega fans react in the same way the sony fanboys of the 32bit era did against the Saturn and its 3D graphics capability. We are so much better than “them”, aren’t we? :anjou_sigh:

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Personally I’ve never been so close to buying a PS2.

Just the other day I played DBZ Budokai 3 and I don’t know if it’s my sleeping love for it (i watched it religiously when I was younger) but I simply loved the game.I played a bit of Ico too for the first time and the game had me impressed I must say.

I still haven’t played VF4, God of War and several other games I was lokoing forward too.

Abadd is right about the love for consoles.I think the same can be applied to companies like I said before.Sometimes it can also be applied to game series.

In the end what matters is the copy of the game you got and the fun/[insert feeling word here] you had with it.

I feel the XBox has a bigger number of good games than the PS2 tho.

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[quote=“Arcie”]

Sonic Heroes was pretty crap on all platforms, mate. If you’re talking in terms of graphics, I don’t see any major differences at first glance.

The PS2 is not a great game machine, you are correct. It is, however, the one that is selling in it’s millions, and that is what matters in terms of marketability.

Oh, and incidentally, the fact that I took your point too seriously, Goonboy? About the eating shit/McDonalds thing? Nice try on brushing off your own error. If you had not meant the comment to be serious, then you made a pretty good attempt at hiding it.[/quote]

How would you know that? Your not a mind reader and neither do you know me well enough to come up with such an stupid assement. The same accusation can be thrown right back at you for attempting to cover your own error by flaming me over something stupid. The fact that you DID jumped the gun on an obvious sarcastic comment means your still uptight. You know that and I know that. So get over it.

As for SONIC HEROES. So what if it was a crap game? The experience was made worse by the poor quality of load times,slowdowns and the overall package because IT was running on a POOR machine. So peoples patchetic attempts to compare DRACULA X on the Saturn and SONIC HEROES "poor ports"game not reflecting the machine itself is asine. And if i’ll use that logic who do you think is going to be worth more in 10 years time? DRACULA X or the superior Sony version of SONIC HEROES? How would that reflect on the machines then?

We are better than them. We have a better taste in games for a start. And the fact you don’t seem to understand why some Sega fans react hostile to Sony makes it worse. Sega fans defending Sony is worse because they should know better.

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[quote=“Geoffrey Duke”]It’s rather unsettling to see Sega fans defend the PS2. :anjou_happy:

For the record… the PS2 version of Sonic Heroes is a joke with ugly jagged lower resolution textures drawn in a lower color depth on top of frequent bouts of slowdown. I assure you, bad programming wasn’t to blame. It’s simply a case of the PS2 straggling far behind the other consoles on the market. This isn’t even open for debate.[/quote]

Hear,Hear.

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Saw an opening. Think I’ll take it.

What happened to that whole “Sega hasn’t made a crap game in the last five years” thing? Heh…

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If a dog needs a bone than i’m happy to throw it to them. That’s what happened,Parn.

And technically SONIC HEROES was made outside of Sega’s main dev team staff so they themselves haven’t made a crap game. So my standpoint in that still stands.

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If you are going to reply to me, leave the needless hostility aside and reply properly to my whole post, not just a tiny part you “like”. Else, just ignore it alltogether. Thanks.

Also, just because I’m a Sega fan, doesn’t mean I’m gonna have a laugh (or whatever pleasure you get from doing this) by giving random points against Sony. I guess that’s just not in my character. Maybe it’s in your character but you could save it for yourself and not go all hostile against people that counter it with logical arguments by telling them out of nowhere that they bash the NGC and love Sony and will buy a PS2 and PSU etc etc… Again, re-read my last reply and follow its advice of re-reading the reply before it too maybe. Thanks. :anjou_sigh:

PS: Acting like a fanboy (meant in the worst way possible) is not something I’ll do with such passion or something I’ll be proud of if I ever happen to fall in that trap for sure… Shoot me for it if you want but that attitude isn’t doing anything for your points. Just letting you know in case you care about that at all…

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Oh my lord, it was an obvious sarcastic statement. It was so obvious I didn’t notice it. If you can’t use sarcasm effectively boyo, don’t use it at all. And that wasn’t a flame, it was a statement.

So…hang on, we have better taste in games because we are Sega fans? That’s basically what you’re saying? Uh…no. Sega make good games, but they do not own a monopoly on good games. Other companies make good games too.

Incidentally, Al3x IS a Sega fan, and knows why Sega fans are hostile to Sony. He is commenting that some Sega fans are no different from the Sony fans of the 32 bit era talking trash about the Saturn. READ THE POSTS BEFORE YOU COMMENT ON THEM. kthxbye

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Obviously because you don’t have the intelligence to notice a sarcastic comment when it hit’s you in the face.

But i was talking about Sony. Obviously your not smart enough to distinguish the word Sony from OTHER companies. And if we compare the games that Sony puts out and Sega puts out in a five year period Sega beats them every time.

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Incidentally, Al3x IS a Sega fan, and knows why Sega fans are hostile to Sony. He is commenting that some Sega fans are no different from the Sony fans of the 32 bit era talking trash about the Saturn.[/quote]

Or is it to do with the fact that a Sega fan has felt under seige in defending
Sega to smoes like you who come on Sega related sites and bash them all the time? Sega supposed to be so bad yet you frequent Sega related sites.

It’s one thing being flamed by Sony or Nintendo fans but when it comes from your own it’s even a bitter pill to swallow.

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The Saturn was underpowered (that’s what happens when you build a console out of outdated parts). Only when in the right hands could it render graphics comparable to the Playstation. In the end, the Playstation and Saturn were almost on equal footing.

I liken taking swipes at the graphical capabilities of the PS2 to giving Sony fans a taste of their own medicine. When the PS2 arrived, the extra few million polygons (and the dozens of millions of non-existent polygons) it could shift per second when compared to its closest rival was a huge contributing factor in its success even though it didn’t make a huge difference graphically. When the GC and Xbox arrived suddenly no one cared about graphical limitations anymore. What’s wrong with this picture?

Like it or not, there is a significant difference between the PS2, GC and Xbox (the PS2 is by far the least capable). I don’t know about you, but I have no desire to play downgraded games on any system whether it’s the Saturn, PS2, or Xbox. I avoided the Xbox version of KOTOR 2 in favor of buying the PC version because I wasn’t prepared to tolerate slowdown when I could steer clear of that problem, so why should I feel differently in this case? Screw the PS2 for holding yet another game back by bringing it down to its level.

Let’s all try to remember that we’re all on the same side here.

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Thats one of the problems when developers have to create any type of multi-console or PC game, they have to take into acount the lowest common denominator.

This is one of the primary reasons I would like to see the next gen consoles more equal in terms of specs.