Mabye the ancients were aliens that lived long before humans, much like in HP Lovecraft’s Cthulhu Mythos (only less evil). Then the ancients and humans co-existed, the ancients living like pharohs in Egypt (considered gods). Then something like a virus or interplanetary war forces them to be cryogenecly (sp?) frozen or something like that. Humans live for a while but soon they almost completely destroy themselves.
I think the games were set on Earth after a billion years or so. As for the other moon, it’s not a moon-it’s a space station.
Would it even be possible for humanity to survive for a billion years? There are so many factors to take into consideration here. Their technology would have been pretty advanced by then too. I’d say, more in the range of one thousand or so years.
[quote=“Dopefish”]Mabye the ancients were aliens that lived long before humans, much like in HP Lovecraft’s Cthulhu Mythos (only less evil). Then the ancients and humans co-existed, the ancients living like pharohs in Egypt (considered gods). Then something like a virus or interplanetary war forces them to be cryogenecly (sp?) frozen or something like that. Humans live for a while but soon they almost completely destroy themselves.
I think the games were set on Earth after a billion years or so. As for the other moon, it’s not a moon-it’s a space station.[/quote]
Nice to see another Lovecraft fan
Some theory you have there, I don’t know though, I’ve always had the feeling that the ancients were humans…
Humanity is due to finish the dark age of technology in about 18,000 years, then we’ll enter the age of apostacy where we’ll try and take over the stars the same way we took over the different countries. At that point, aliens will kick our butts and we’ll lose all track of technology, entering a second dark age where religion will get a new grasp on the world to the point where Terra becomes a Theocracy. After that…who knows?
Yes, but we’ll clone children and cybernetically enhance them in order to rekick the aliens’ butts, and one of them will journey to a mysterious world called Halo…
Doesn’t the first Panzer Dragoon state that it’s set thousands of years in the future? I always thought that it was set on a ruined earth, that had been destroyed by our own technology.
As for there only being one continent, it does seem to be quite a small, I think that it is probably one of many continent, that had grown to be far appart and the empire hasn’t yet explored them. Also, the panzer dragoon time line states that the clan that became the Empire “washed ashore” in the continent that became the empire, suggesting that they came from somewhere else…
[quote=“Drenholm”]Doesn’t the first Panzer Dragoon state that it’s set thousands of years in the future? I always thought that it was set on a ruined earth, that had been destroyed by our own technology.
As for there only being one continent, it does seem to be quite a small, I think that it is probably one of many continent, that had grown to be far appart and the empire hasn’t yet explored them. Also, the panzer dragoon time line states that the clan that became the Empire “washed ashore” in the continent that became the empire, suggesting that they came from somewhere else…[/quote]
That’s logical. Or perhaps the tides have washed away all but one continent (they say that in a few hundred years the state of Florida will start to submerge…yikes 0_o)
I don’t think it states anything of the sort anywhere…
I do not have the game but I have never read such a thing about any PD game taking place "thousants of years into the future"
The only thing related to such a big time period I’ve seen in PD games is the description of the Ancient Age and it’s downfall which happened Thousants of years AGO! This does NOT suggest that the games are set in the future, it just suggests that the world the games take place in also has a huge and old history. The events we see in the games could be of ANY time frame, past present or future if you really have to compare it to our timeline that is. Which I think it might not even be possible, more on this later.
And I’d say the PRESENT is more likely since in the intros it doesn’t tell us “A long long time ago in a galaxy far far away…” it just describes us the past and then thrusts us into the game world which can be assumed to be the present… It wouldn’t make much sense if it was done in any other way… Not the exact present since as we all know lundi’s story is a close past timeframe but instead an overall present…
I can’t explain what I mean very well but I hope you got the gist of it…if my writing confuses you read down to the part that says “past present or future” which was my main point and ignore the rest which are just thoughts of the moment and not very nicely written.
Honestly though, I don’t think time frames related to us and our earth or universe or world can be related to the PD timeline in any way since in my opinion it’s just an alternate universe a’la LOTR that bears resembalance to us to be more believable rather than show it really is our world…
And about LOTR being an alternate past of our Earth, well, no it’s not, it’s the history of Middle Earth, not our Earth… The fact there’s a race called “humans” in it that is exactly like us does nothin to go against the fact that it’s not supposed to be our world but “another world”…
Either way do you guys REALLY see us humans even if we reach that level of technology to go toward that kind of design of structures and vehicles? I seriously don’t think we’d go toward that style at all…it’s just too pretty and abstract…and by our terms propably quite useless to be made like that as well…I know I’m nit-picking now, I’m half kidding as I ask this so don’t give this last paragraph too much attention…
Good point Alex, but (replying to your last paragraph here) we know that TA isn’t a team of prophets or anything, they’re just a group of people making a game. Pretty and abstract helps sales a lot, and it gives it a sense of creativity and the feeling of something totally unexperienced before.
The back of the PAL box of the original game states that it takes place “one thousand years into the future”. However, this could easily be a translation error, or perhaps someone just made it up on the spot because it sounded like something that would sell the game. Other than that, there isn’t any other evidence (as far as I know) to support this claim.
Now about Middle Earth, or rather Arda (the name of the actual world I believe). I have a Tolkien book that shows the evolution of that world. It’s a set of pictorial diagrams (I assume taken from Tolkien’s notes) that shows how the world has changed over the different ages of Middle Earth. If you’d like me to scan it for further proof I’d be more than happy to do so. The diagrams show the continents changing until they closely resemble those of Earth. The main events happen near Europe, Harad is northern Africa, and there are also places called the Sun Lands (America), and the Dark Lands (Oceania). Tolkien wanted to create a mythology for England… this was his way of doing so.
[quote=“Solo Wing Dragon”]
Now about Middle Earth, or rather Arda (the name of the actual world I believe). I have a Tolkien book that shows the evolution of that world. It’s a set of pictorial diagrams (I assume taken from Tolkien’s notes) that shows how the world has changed over the different ages of Middle Earth. If you’d like me to scan it for further proof I’d be more than happy to do so. The diagrams show the continents changing until they closely resemble those of Earth. The main events happen near Europe, Harad is northern Africa, and there are also places called the Sun Lands (America), and the Dark Lands (Oceania). Tolkien wanted to create a mythology for England… this was his way of doing so.[/quote]
What I’m saying is that the PD world is not suposed to be like that.
[quote=“Solo Wing Dragon”]
Now about Middle Earth, or rather Arda (the name of the actual world I believe). I have a Tolkien book that shows the evolution of that world. It’s a set of pictorial diagrams (I assume taken from Tolkien’s notes) that shows how the world has changed over the different ages of Middle Earth. If you’d like me to scan it for further proof I’d be more than happy to do so. The diagrams show the continents changing until they closely resemble those of Earth. The main events happen near Europe, Harad is northern Africa, and there are also places called the Sun Lands (America), and the Dark Lands (Oceania). Tolkien wanted to create a mythology for England… this was his way of doing so.[/quote]
What I’m saying is that the PD world is not suposed to be like that.[/quote]
But still, what evidence do you have to support that?
True. To be frank, I think neither TA nor Smilebit have delved quite as far as we have points above into the history of the Panzer world. I could be quite wrong on this, because obviously the ENTIRE history of the Panzer world has not been -and probably won’t be- revealed.
It’s simply a whole different world (notice that I didn’t say “planet”) IMO, just as Tolkien created his world to be separate. Sure they could be Earth, or Mars, or whatever, but I don’t think the physical “planet” where it takes place should affect the “world” where the history develops.
Weird Theory #1: Perhaps the Panzer world is really just one universe or something similar (something similar meaning plane of existence.) I mean, simply a realm of Being in which life can thrive, that does not consist of planets and where the action takes place is a flat piece of land which stretches to the end of the cosmos. “But how do you explain the moons in Zwei?” you might ask. Well, perhaps there is limited space in the universe for a few moons and a sun to thrive, but nothing else. The overall “architecture” of the universe consists of an actual ceiling (the sky) and a floor (the ground).
