A tower in PDO

The ruin was not a Tower.Ask Abadd.

Well if some of the Towers were still active when the Heresy dragon killed the Sestren AI, who knows how it would’ve affected them. An automated ruin could perhaps still function to some extent or degree without it.

The Seekers did say that Sestren could only be reached through an active Tower, and Azel did destroy the Tower of Uru in order to prevent Sestren from escaping. Were they lying? The Sestren AI was created to control the Towers, so why would Sestren be reachable through any other ruin?

The ruin could possibly be a Tower; why dismiss that possibility?

But the DV was supposed to be what would deactivate everything…no?
Unless there’s Towers that aren’t linked to Sestren… Those could be still fully active… But they’d be almost like any other ruin since what really defined the Towers apart from their power and whatever labs they had was the Sestren network…

I do agree ithat ruin in Orta could be a Tower… Hmm… Well, you know just cos you’ll shut down the main PC in a netowkr doesn’t mean you won’t be able to turn on the rest “user” PCs…they just won’t really have access to anywhere near as much stuff as they had access to before… Maybe the same thing can happen to ruins and Towers, maybe they can be active and do certain actions…

There is clearly a plot hole here somewhere.If azel destroyed the Tower so Sestren Ai wouldn’t escape then whata bout the other Towers and this ruin?

Over the next decade following
the destruction of the ancient ruins,
the Continent’s topography and climate
began to change radically.

Scholars claim that the ancient ruins
themselves played some role in
maintaining the world’s climate
and ecosystem.

By destroying a great portion of them,
the world’s delicate balance was skewed,
and chaos ensued.

Not all of the Towers were destroyed, but without the Sestren AI to control them, they were rendered inoperable in that they could no longer carry out their functions. The Sestren AI must’ve coordinated them as it watched over the world.

The Sestren AI no doubt decided to remain. How exactly did Lagi escape Sestren if not via an active gateway?

I think you are mixing up Sestren Ai with the Program.

Sestren AI - evil fiend we fight at then end fo Saga

Program - the thing that bids farewell to Lagi once he leave sthe Sestren space.

I’m thinking in terms of Panzer Dragoon Saga. That’s why I still call the Ancients the ancients and Sestren Exsis the Sestren AI. Sestren Exsis was the AI controlling the Towers, not the labotomized incarnation we encounter in Panzer Dragoon Saga.

You haven’t answered my question Gehn: how could Lagi escape Sestren at the end of Panzer Dragoon Saga when there is supposed to be no other way to reach and exit Sestren but through an active Tower?

Who exactly do you mean when you talk about lobotomized incarnaton??

And to answer you : that’s what ive been talking about all along.I don’t think there is need of a portal to get out of Sestren?When the Program entred the real world in the form of a coolia did it use a gate as well???

Sure, why not? A few Towers were still active at that time. Maybe there are more ways of exiting Sestren than there are ways of entering it.

Well you are asking me a question that couldn’t have an answer if your assumptions were real.

How do you think Lagi left sestren then if there were no gates??

Ah, but there were active gateways. Check out Episode 6 of Panzer Dragoon Orta. :slight_smile:

You got me all wrong.I dind’t say the only way into sestren was via Tower.

I’m actually saying you could go there via a lot of places…

I think you needn’t a gte to get out of Sestren but maybe I’m wrong.

Wasn’t there an .AVI version of the Saga FMV’s ou there somewhere?I really need them… 3 years is a long time :stuck_out_tongue:

I don’t believe the Seekers were lying when they said the only way to reach Sestren was through an active Tower. If there was another way to reach Sestren that wasn’t the equivalent of commiting suicide like attacking a Tower would be, then they would’ve known about it.

I don’t believe Azel was lying either when she expressed her intention to destroy the Tower of Uru in order to stop Sestren from escaping.

We know not all the Towers were destroyed, so it’s more than likely that the ruin found in Episode 6: Legacy (of all names) was in fact a Tower.

I was one of the first after playing Orta to think that but I’m pretty sure it was Abadd the poster who told me wrong.

It’s not like te Seekers are lying.They just don’t know everything now do they?

And every Tower has a dragon to guard it.

about how every tower has a dragon gardian well I have resion to belive it was destroyed you can even see it! when you enter the room where everything is gold and abbad says you will find a history of your bearth there. theres some creature looks similer to a dragon that was shot down and crashed hard. that could be it. try it the best dragoon to use is the panzerwing in the box game on no limit bezerke attack. fire it right when you enter the room and look at the center of your flight path. it looks like a scorpian at firs glance. I don’t know if this has been noticed.

Unless I’m missing something (which is always possible), the Seekers didn’t say that the only way to reach Sestren was through an active Tower; they just said that Sestren could be reached through a Tower. Bear in mind that they barely knew what Sestren was; they spoke of it as if it was some kind of magical astral plane that existed “beyond time and space”. There’s no guarentee that they couldn’t just be ignorant of any other entrances to Sestren. These are the same people who were convinced that the dragon was the Divine Visitor, after all; the Seekers didn’t have all the info.

On the other hand, what about the PDO Episode 8 ruins and even the Cradle itself? As I pointed out earlier, Sestren must have been linked to them in some way; it “downloaded” Orta deep inside the Episode 8 ruin, which would suggest to me that there was another data transformation gateway there. Would that really necessitate that the Episode 8 ruin was a Tower too? And seeing as how the Sestren network was also linked to the Cradle’s systems (“Ground Block 2-8-9 resuming armament production” etc), doesn’t it seem that Sestren was connected to more things than Towers anyway?

I’m afraid that’s just the remains of the sub-boss that Orta fought at the beginning of the Episode; if you look up as you fly over it you can see the passage that it crashed out of. You’re not the first person to think it might have been a dead guardian dragon, though. :slight_smile:

I forgot to mention in my post above, but (as I’ve just said in another topic) all this seems to imply is that Azel could only interface with the Tower of Uru. After all, if Sestren could be reached from any Tower and Azel could interface with any Tower, why send her into this recently activated Ancient Age deathtrap? The most obvious answer looks to be that she could only interface with this Tower. Failing that, the Seekers may not have known where any other Towers were actually located; and they could have been ignorant of the PDO Episode 6 ruins’ location in exactly the same way.

"Sestren can be reached from
any Tower, but no methods of
opening the gate have ever
been discovered".

The Seekers could’ve been ignorant of other ways of entering Sestren, but as far as game lore goes, a Tower is the safest bet. No other ways of entering Sestren are specified, so again, according to the information available to us, a Tower is the only known way of reaching Sestren.

We know that not all of the Towers were destroyed and some of them were even still active. The ruins in Episode 6 could therefore be a Tower.

That’s all I’m saying. IMO, Azel would’ve needed to find another active (as opposed to dormant) Tower to reach Sestren in order to acquire Edge’s gene data.

Also:

"In order to control the Towers,
she was given superior intellect.
As a side effect,
she gained human emotions".

The Seekers were led to believe that Azel was designed to interface with any Tower. Of course, we have no way of confirming this, but in the absence of further proof, it’s possible.