I have a theory about Kyle involving Gash, however, having only recently obtaining Panzer Dragoon I know very little about Kyle.
Before I can display my theory, I need to know Kyle’s fate.
Does Kyle die? And if not, do we know what happened to him?
If both of those are answered no, then my theory can come into play.
Thanks
-Lurker Zerker.
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We don’t really know what became of Kyle. There is one theory that he is Radgam from Panzer Dragoon Saga, but there is no direct proof to confirm this.
Geoffrey discusses one possible idea regarding Kyle’s fate at the bottom of his theory here:
panzerdragoon.net/theories/p … theory.php
Thanks 
Well my idea made a alot more sense when I first came up with it by I’ll try and portray it the best I can.
I was reading over some of the theories and I came to wonder what became of Kyle as no one had really displayed any real interest in him. Maybe this was because his end was so ambigous or otherwise.
Anyway straight to the point. I was wondering if somehow Kyle and Gash could be connected someway.
According to the screenshots from the link above, we never really see his face after he’s been resting on the ground. If the two are connected then maybe this is where Gash obtained his disfigurement. If not, he could’ve always gained it later on down the line.
I don’t think Kyle, after all that had happened, could simply go back to normal life. He probably would’ve been greatly affected and still have the memories from the Sky Rider/Lagi. Perhaps after he rode away he went onto join the Seekers.
This would also give a guess as to why Gash has so much knowledge and maybe why he took so much interest in the dragon. He didn’t try and take the dragon back as he was never entwined with the Divine Visitor, not destined to see Sestren.
Do we know where Lundi’s journals came from? If the Seekers simply found them I’m surprised they would be even readable. The whole would was war torn to say the least. They may have been written by the one person who came into contact with the Sky Rider (as many believe him to be Lundi) - Gash or as I’m putting it forth, Gash.
Gash says that the Divine Visitor was the dragon. We later find out this is wrong. But why might’ve Gash thought that? Well the Divine Visitor never enbodyed Kyle, so his logical guess would’ve been that the dragon was the Divine Visitor perhaps.
I know this isn’t backed up too well, as it was really just a passing thought.
Also, having not been here for a good while, I’m not sure how much development you’ve made on characters. My overall knowledge isn’t very strong either (that’s why I’m finding the theories very interesting).
I believe there are some other points that could match the two together, but since yesterday they have passed my mind.
Thanks.
Wow, that means:
Gash is Kyle!
And Lundi started the Seekers so he must also be Gash!
So Lundi is Kyle!
And the Sky Rider, he must be Lundi since he has Lagi at the start of PD1.
Therefor Kyle is the Sky Rider.
And lets not forget that Gash is also Abadd.
That means the Sky Rider IS Abadd.
Plus the Dark Dragon rider is nearly identical to the sky rider, so they’re the same guy, too.
And Azel is also a drone, with hair like Abadd, so Azel must be Abadd.
And, since the Divine Visitor was the Player, and the Player was Edge, as well as Kyle, then Kyle is Edge.
And Gash thought that Lagi was the Divine Visitor. And Gash, being Edge, being the Player, being the Divine Visitor would know about his own nature, thus Lagi is also Gash and Edge and Kyle.
As are all the other mutant Coolias. And the Heresy Program, for that matter.
And the Heresy Program was part of Sestren, thus Sestren Exsis is actually Kyle.
Furthermore, Orta, being the child of Azel and Azel (Azel being Edge), must be Azel, or at least a clone since she’s 50% Azel’s genes and 50% Azel’s genes.
This holds up for the possibility that Craymen is the father, as we know that Craymen is Kyle, because Craymen’s initials are “KFC” while Kyle’s are “KF”.
So Edge is Orta. As are Kyle, Craymen, Lundi, Azel, Gash, Lagi, Sestren, the Heresy Program, the Divine Visitor, the Sky Rider, the DD Rider, the Player and small village worth of mutant Coolias.
This means that in Abadd’s new world in which he would clone himself endlessly, everyone would be Kyle!
And Kyle is Radgam, so everyone is Radgam.
And since Radgam dies, everyone dies.
Thus, using Proof by Contradiction, if everyone is not Radgam, then nobody dies. But death is a universal inevitability, hence this cannot be the case. Thus everyone is Kyle.
Sorry, not a dig at your theory in particular, Berserker, I just did that because it amused me.
But, well, sometimes characters don’t actually have secret identities. Maybe Gash is just, y’know, Gash? XP
Having never known the name of Panzer Dragoon’s rider (or just forgot?) until long after completing Saga I didn’t make the “KFC” connection, but whether it’s meant to be taken seriously or not it makes a perfect explanation for why Craymen is such an empowered character. Craymen’s knowledge and perspective seems very different from any other imperial, he appeared to know things even the emperor didn’t, and Kyle could be expected to have no loyalty to the empire’s goals.
All along he was primarily concerned with preventing the empire from gaining control of the Tower. Somehow his attitude seems consistent with the limited view one has as the player in Panzer Dragoon, presumably what we knew is about all Kyle knew at the time as well.
[quote=“Drenholm”]
Sorry, not a dig at your theory in particular, Berserker, I just did that because it amused me.
But, well, sometimes characters don’t actually have secret identities. Maybe Gash is just, y’know, Gash? XP[/quote]
Haha no problem =P
Lundi started the Seekers? Something I didn’t know.
I’d also like to point out that I’ve never played Orta.
Finally, well yes that’s true. Characters may just be characters, but that’s what theories are all about is it not? Guessing at little similarities and seeing if somehow they could be connected.
Like I said, it was just a thought. Considering we know very little about Kyle and how Gash seemed to know so much I just came up with an idea.
No Lundi didn’t start the seekers, it’s made clear they’ve been around in some form since before the empire even.
{Zadoc:}
The Empire originated from a group
of seekers who sought the power to
destroy Sestren.
As their power grew, they became
corrupted by greed and they forgot
their original purpose.
It was this power that caused
them to become evil.
I can’t find the exact quote, but someone in PDS I remember one of the characters telling Edge that Endow was Gash’s mentor. I think it was Zadoc when he gives Edge one of the dragon books.
If Lundi was Gash’s mentor, and Gash was Kyle that would certainly create an interesting scenario. However, is this likely to be the case? I feel sceptical about this possibility because Gash never reveals that he is Kyle to Edge. Why wouldn’t he? His past experiences with the dragon may have aided Edge in his quest to destroy Sestren.
Yeah, Heretic is right about the “Lundi starting the seekers” (or rather, not starting) thing, I just seemed to remember hearing a theory about it somewhere… once. Actually, don’t take any of the logic jumps in my above post as facts (even the ones based on real theories), because I just wrote it all from memory various theories, so much of it may well be the creation of my imagination. =P
Not like I ever would have taken any of that as fact Drenholm. 
But I knew where you were coming from, and I for one was highly entertained. 
[quote=“Solo Wing Dragon”]I can’t find the exact quote, but someone in PDS I remember one of the characters telling Edge that Endow was Gash’s mentor. I think it was Zadoc when he gives Edge one of the dragon books.
If Lundi was Gash’s mentor, and Gash was Kyle that would certainly create an interesting scenario. However, is this likely to be the case? I feel sceptical about this possibility because Gash never reveals that he is Kyle to Edge. Why wouldn’t he? His past experiences with the dragon may have aided Edge in his quest to destroy Sestren.[/quote]
Thanks Solo, I was waiting for someone to give a good reason to why it may not have been so.
That’s true, revealing it may have aided him. But perhaps Gash felt it was better to keep his identity hidden and simply pass on knowledge and advice without revealing himself to be a previous dragon rider.
Gash, if I remember correctly, always displays quite a hidden persona. The mask gives a physical example of that.
I think if I were Kyle, I wouldn’t have told Edge so about my past. Edge needed to make a strong bond towards Lagi and I think if Edge knew that Gash was the previous rider, it may have weakened it somewhat. It might have given Edge a bit of a safety net feel; if he failed the previous rider could simply take where he left off. Of course, this couldn’t happen as the Divine Visitor wouldn’t join with Gash, so he would never be able to see Sestren.
Gash may have also felt that revealing it may have complicated things more so than they already were.
[quote=“Drenholm”]Wow, that means:
Gash is Kyle!
And Lundi started the Seekers so he must also be Gash!
So Lundi is Kyle!
And the Sky Rider, he must be Lundi since he has Lagi at the start of PD1.
Therefor Kyle is the Sky Rider.
etc.
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I have to say, that’s the most amusing forum post I’ve read all month. XD
[quote=“Berserker”]Thanks Solo, I was waiting for someone to give a good reason to why it may not have been so.
That’s true, revealing it may have aided him. But perhaps Gash felt it was better to keep his identity hidden and simply pass on knowledge and advice without revealing himself to be a previous dragon rider.
Gash, if I remember correctly, always displays quite a hidden persona. The mask gives a physical example of that.
I think if I were Kyle, I wouldn’t have told Edge so about my past. Edge needed to make a strong bond towards Lagi and I think if Edge knew that Gash was the previous rider, it may have weakened it somewhat. It might have given Edge a bit of a safety net feel; if he failed the previous rider could simply take where he left off. Of course, this couldn’t happen as the Divine Visitor wouldn’t join with Gash, so he would never be able to see Sestren.
Gash may have also felt that revealing it may have complicated things more so than they already were.[/quote]
Yeah perhaps. There’s also some other things to take into consideration though, such as the way the dragon reacts to Gash. When Edge first meets Gash in the valley the dragon roars at him, as if he was thinking that Gash could be an enemy. Then Edge and Gash both burst into laughter.
Hmm yes that’s true. And if Gash was Kyle and presumably they had made some sort of bond the dragon would have most likely acted differently.
Maybe the obvious changes between Kyle and Gash meant it didn’t recognise him. But that isn’t very likely.