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Hey, you were the one who cited Article 1 Section 10 of the Constitution as proof of “money being illegal.” If you’d like to tell me where else it is, I’d appreciate it.

And for the record, here is the actual law:

[quote=“American Forefathers”]
Section 10. No STATE shall enter into any treaty, alliance, or confederation; grant letters of marque and reprisal; coin money; emit bills of credit; make anything but gold and silver coin a tender in payment of debts; pass any bill of attainder, ex post facto law, or law impairing the obligation of contracts, or grant any title of nobility.[/quote]

Says nothing about the Federal government, my friend. Nothing. And the Federal Reserve bank isn’t part of the government, it is contracted by the government to print money. States cannot make anything other than silver or gold because those have (supposedly) intrinsic value that is international. Printed money, and even coin money that isn’t made of precious or semi-precious metals, is not.

Oh, and by the way, the 16th Amendment is actually quite pointless, if we’re going to go on splitting hairs. All it did was “correct” the incorrect decision of the Supreme Court that income taxes were direct taxes. Regardless of whether or not the 16th Amendment was ratified, the Supreme Court themselves reversed their decision in 1916, rendering the 16th Amendment useless. Since the only issue was whether or not Congress had the power of direct taxation, and income tax was classified as indirect taxation, there really is no issue here.

And hey… if nanotech is here in 8 years, how about this: I’ll embrace it with open arms, just for you! :smiley:

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[quote=“Kadamose”]So if you braindead zombies are happy living amongst other braindead zombies, who also happen to be the biggest hypocrites in the known world, be my guest. As for me, I am not going to follow rules that are both created by people who are inferior to me and are also based on hypocrisy, and I will continue to be a pirate until the day I die (which won’t be anytime soon, considering Nanotechnology will increase my lifespan a hundred fold and I will outlive all of you)
[/quote]

From this, we can deduce three things.

  1. Kadamose is an idiot.

  2. Kadamose got hit in the head when he was young (Nanotechnology and life expectancy? WTF?)

  3. Kadamose is almost certainly a Bush voter.

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From this, we can deduce three things.

  1. Kadamose is an idiot.

  2. Kadamose got hit in the head when he was young (Nanotechnology and life expectancy? WTF?)

  3. Kadamose is almost certainly a Bush voter.[/quote]

  4. Hmm, if I’m superior to you (I am) and I’m labeled as an idiot by you, what exactly does that make you, who is obviously inferior, in comparison? A braindead zombie definitely describes you perfectly.

  5. Hit in the head with some common sense and wit, maybe. As far as Nanotech, is concerned, however, it’s gonna be HUGE, and change everything as we know it. It was simply mentioned to spur curiosity among the masses, who have absolutely no clue whatsoever of what’s coming. Sure, it was offtopic, but being spontaneous spices things up.

  6. I didn’t vote for anyone, considering:

A) The Election was rigged.

B) Bush is SKULLS and CROSSBONES - he’s a member of an elite society called the Illuminati, which currently is trying to rule the entire world, and succeeding on all levels.

C) Kerry is also a member of the Illimunati, but on the opposing end. Therefore, the election was basically a damned if you do, damned if you don’t situation.

D) I despise the USA and its false freedom. Unfortunately, leaving the country isn’t going to make things any better, considering the pathetic US and the Illuminati have made it miserable to live anywhere.

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And with the above post, Arcie may now pretty much rest his case :anjou_sigh:

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And once again, a debate with Kadamose ends with him ignoring my post.

Oh well. It was fun while it lasted…

/troll :smiley:

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[quote=“Abadd”]And once again, a debate with Kadamose ends with him ignoring my post.

Oh well. It was fun while it lasted…

/troll :D[/quote]

It was a stupid debate that i clearly won (your argument on the 16th amendment just showed how little you really do know) - therefore, I left it alone at that.

I will, however, apologize for calling you stupid; though you lack knowledge, your argument was sound. But, then again, pretty much everyone nowadays knows ‘Google is your friend!’.

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Actually, having a poli-sci major from Cal as your boss = your friend :slight_smile: I actually knew that the 16th Amendment hadn’t been ratified (or rather, that its ratification was debatable), but I confess to not knowing the specific details, which I asked my boss about, seeing as he’s a political/history buff.

And if you can prove my argument otherwise, please let me know. I do believe I summed up exactly why you are wrong quite nicely, whereas your only counter-argument appears to be (and I’m paraphrasing here) “your argument is dumb.”

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[quote=“Abadd”]Actually, having a poli-sci major from Cal as your boss = your friend :slight_smile: I actually knew that the 16th Amendment hadn’t been ratified (or rather, that its ratification was debatable), but I confess to not knowing the specific details, which I asked my boss about, seeing as he’s a political/history buff.

And if you can prove my argument otherwise, please let me know. I do believe I summed up exactly why you are wrong quite nicely, whereas your only counter-argument appears to be (and I’m paraphrasing here) “your argument is dumb.”[/quote]

Fair enough, but before we continue this discussion, I would like you to read this article:

proliberty.com/observer/20030602.htm

It’s a little history lesson on Fiat Currency that you will find interesting.

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I was actually writing a long and wordy point by point breakdown of the entire article, but then realized, “Why?”

  1. The actual origin of money and the intrinsic value of money has no bearing on the perceived value. The article itself points out that there has been no monetary system that is fool proof (coins can be shaved, etc.). And, well, gold/silver has no intrinsic value, other than the perceived rarity (it’s really not all that rare… and the more we mine, the less value it has). We’ve progressed so far beyond a society of straight bartering that the people simply need an agreed-upon means of exchange. What does it matter if it is paper, metal, or hell, even plastic? You can’t walk into a store and purchase something in gold. Gold is only worth something in today’s society because you can exchange it for paper money. Plain and simple.

  2. This doesn’t really have any bearing on a) the fact you downloaded Half-Life 2, b) you claimed that Article 1 Section 10 of the Constitution made paper currency illegal, and c) what happened to your claims that the IRS was illegal?

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[quote=“Abadd”]I was actually writing a long and wordy point by point breakdown of the entire article, but then realized, “Why?”

  1. The actual origin of money and the intrinsic value of money has no bearing on the perceived value. The article itself points out that there has been no monetary system that is fool proof (coins can be shaved, etc.). And, well, gold/silver has no intrinsic value, other than the perceived rarity (it’s really not all that rare… and the more we mine, the less value it has). We’ve progressed so far beyond a society of straight bartering that the people simply need an agreed-upon means of exchange. What does it matter if it is paper, metal, or hell, even plastic? You can’t walk into a store and purchase something in gold. Gold is only worth something in today’s society because you can exchange it for paper money. Plain and simple.

  2. This doesn’t really have any bearing on a) the fact you downloaded Half-Life 2, b) you claimed that Article 1 Section 10 of the Constitution made paper currency illegal, and c) what happened to your claims that the IRS was illegal?[/quote]

  3. Money has NO value, whatsoever - and, like religion, is just another means of seperating people.

a) It shouldn’t matter if I downloaded Half Life 2 or not - money has no value, and since this is a digital product, it can be replicated and distributed over the net in unlimited supply. So I say again - why should I pay for something that I can get for free, much less pay for a ‘commodity’ that can be replicated in unlimited supply? Because it’s the right thing to do, or because our Draconian laws tell us that we have to pay for such services?

b) It is ILLEGAL - permanenttourist.com/4paths/ … money.html

c) It is ILLEGAL -

[quote=“http://www.uhuh.com/taxstuff/incomtax.htm”]
The so-called 16th Amendment legalizing income tax was most probably never fully ratified and therefore does not exist. But even if it does, two Supreme Court cases ruled it moot. The 16th Amendment is nothing more than double talk. The IRS operates on 90 percent bluff. But that is only the first part. 3

In addition, there is no law that requires you to pay income tax if you are a United States citizen living and working in the United States. (Employment by the federal government may be an exception.)5

Recently I learned that it is most probable that the IRS has no legal authority to enforce. That really put those crooks in the dictator’s throne.6

Now consider this: With no law to enforce, without warrant or even notice, heavily armed IRS swat teams break, enter, seize, terrify, abduct and jail. They leave familes economically destitute. To add insult to injury, judges enforce a law that does not exist and put citizens in prison.

Folks, this is the very reason people left the old country and came to America. For that same reason they created the United States of America. The IRS is brazenly violating our Constitution and its inherent Bill of Rights as though it did not exist. Think about that for awhile. [/quote]

Note: The other examples I was going to use were way too lengthy.

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  1. Money has an agreed value. Like the original article you cited and posted a link to, people originally adopted monetary systems because bartering didn’t always work. It’s still the same today. It doesn’t matter what the money actually is… as long as it is agreed upon. All other points are moot.

a) The answer is simple. There are laws against that. Sure it can be replicated, but it doesn’t deny the owners ownership of the concept. It’s a matter of common sense, too. If you don’t pay for the service, you stop getting the service. Plain and simple.

b) Again, I point out the word “state.” The article you linked to speaks about the “gold and silver” yadda yadda yadda, but completely ignores the fact that the Constitution clearly says that no STATE shall coin/print its own money. There is no such limitation placed on the federal government, nor does it say that the federal government cannot contract a 3rd party to do so.

c) Actually, there is a law requiring you to pay income tax: TITLE 26 of the Internal Revenue Code. Look it up :slight_smile: And the fact that the 16th Amendment is moot is because the Supreme Court agreed that income is taxable under the “indirect taxation” clauses of the Constitution. Therefore, Congress has the Constitutional right to tax income. The IRS was merely formed, as a branch of government, to carry out this right.

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Holy crap, my small unassuming topic has become the site of a pwning of epic proportions.

I am not worthy.

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Internal Revenue Code…

It’s quite interesting that you’d use a ‘law’ that was made by the INTERNAL REVENUE SERVICE, which. is UNCONSTITUTIONAL. As I said before, your argument in regard to the 16th Amendment is ‘moot’.

I’ll mess with your other arguments later, and perhaps do a little more digging.

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Maybe because, leaving laws aside, that way you are paying for the food of the developers and in turn enable them to create a new game that you’ll wish to play in the future? Or does the fact that you try and make it as if you don’t find value in money mean that other people can live without it and still create the things you wish to have for free? Hell, do you really not use money in any way at all in your life? Do you pretty much steal everything? Cos I seriously doubt you do so and you only “steal” video games because you can get away with it and everything else you say is just excuses that aren’t going to fool anyone into thinking you really are a decent person and are correct in your ways.

Hell, when you get a job, (if anyone doesn’t see past you and actually hires you that is) will you not wish to get paid for it in order to rent and eventually buy a nice house to live in and a nice new PC and everything else you’ll need to have a good life? Or will you be fine with the fact your boss will not pay you by thinking to yourself “money has no value” and end up living in the woods waiting with anticipation the coming of the nanotechnology that will give you everything for nothing?

Edit: I also just read one of your earlier posts where you said you’d pay for PDS II. Not that I believe you but it kind of nulifies all the law issues you’ve brought since you agree you’d pay for a certain thing of the same kind that you refuse to pay for now. Won’t PDS II, being a game itself, have the same properties as Half Life 2 meaning you should not pay for it according to everything you’ve tried to say so far? Again, all you’ve said so far are mere excuses in an effort to hide the sad nature of yourself… Well, you aren’t succeeding in the least… And if you tried to bring up the topic of PDS II being the only thing that’s worth paying for, money has no value according to you so… Also, if you don’t think HL2 is worthy then just don’t play it, if it’s not what you want, why torture yourself by doing the developers the favor of playing their game you stole from them? :anjou_sigh:

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[quote=“Kadamose”]
(According to Article I Section 10 of the Constitution of the pathetic USA, PAPER CURRENCY IS ILLEGAL - Also of further interest, the 16th Amendment was never ratified, therefore the fact that the IRS, itself, exists, is against the law.) So, who, again, is guilty of what?[/quote]

Ah I see! So if paper currency is illegal, then I am sure you will gladly trade a cow or two for the game. =P

Honestly, I am having a good laugh here.
I never liked the idea of ripping games as soon as they come out, or anything simular at all. like movies, music, etc.

People make a living off of such things, they work hard at what they do just to provide some entertainment to audiences.
Or just make games to make a quick buck if you want to be cynical.

I think Alex has made some good points here with his post too.

Oh quit whinning, I am sure there are places for a person of your thoughts to live in and be happy. Like I am sure there are places where haters of France, Britan, Canada, Brazil or any other country on this planet can live and be happy too.
Just leave. Dont whine, bitch or complain about how you hate the US. It is simple, they wont stop you from leaving the country. And when you are in whatever country you want to be in ( I believe it was Australia was it not?), you can start to follow their laws, earn their legal paper currency and continue to download pirated games.

…yeesh. I am going to bed. >.>;

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Whoa, the Illuminati? Missed that one. I take it back, you’re not an asshole, you’re just a freakin’ nut.

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I would post a response, but frankly, this topic has gone downhill so much that it would just encourage more back-and-forth debates, trash talk, name-calling, etc. Someone just lock it already.

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omg u r rong!

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<.<

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i’m getting H-L 2 for free
<3 Radeon 9600XT Voucher

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And another thing, in case the “paying for the food of the developers” bit isn’t touching you, here’s something more practical for the owner of the game him/herself.

It’s quite silly to illegaly obtain Half Life 2. While it is a great game in itself, its greater strength lays within the Source engine and the modability of it. Half Life 1 was a game that offered 5+ years of value to its owners due to all the TOP QUALITY modifications, both single and multi player, that it spawned. Getting Half Life 2 illegally only means that you will not be able to play any of the modifications created for it.

And there’s no reason not to really. There is no “I’m not into mods” since mods are simply free games as long as you own the game they were created for. When you get a game you get it because its good and fun. There’s good and bad mods and there often are really special mods with unique and innovative gameplay that could have easily sold by the truck load in retail. These aren’t mere tweaks, they are whole new games built from the ground up that often seem to have no relation at all to the original game. The modding communities have evolved a lot in the past few years and they offered and continue to offer top quality experiences. Leaving the opportunity to play these free offerings just to try and make an argument over a topic such as “Warezing games: Right or Wrong?” is just silly in the least…
You may say there is no quarantee that there will be good mods for Half Life 2 but I’d have to disagree as I’m involved with the modding scene for several years now and have seen its evolution step by step. They only keep getting better as time passes and better engines pop up. And there are no better mod platforms than Valve’s games. Even if the majority of the projects are created by “newbies” who are doing their first steps in this type of things and aren’t worth much of your time there always are seemingly proffesional projects in development. There’s some simply astounding stuff created for Unreal Tournament 2004 for example and it doesn’t even have a small fraction of the Half Life community that is certain to move on to Half Life 2.
The modding scene is basically a lot like the games industry. You get a pile of no good projects. You get a lot of good projects that don’t offer anything new -but are worth your time due to their quality and depending on what kind of games you are into- and there’s a few really special projects that offer things never seen before or in ways never seen before and are a must play by everyone.

Sorry :anjou_sigh: