Things wont stop percolating now that I’m on this track, and though this is exceeding the bonds of evidence I usually confine myself to… well it’s freshly brewed so may as well pour another cup:
The Red Ruins - as well as their sister location in the desert - do have some serious mechanism going on behind their surface serenity. The Zoah location raises itself up by a good fifty to a hundred meters perhaps, there’s no telling how far the rest of it may still reach underground. If this was actually something like a ‘Temple of The Dragon’, and a massive bio-engineered complex as well… could it be almost like our dragon’s home?
IF, *as one certain drone apparently teased some other certain character with at some time that I’m only aware of as hearsay yet the notion has been well seeded within our collective thought patterns about the story… * The Dragon was indeed supposed to be released all along. AND, as has been speculated from a few differing angles, and is generally consistent with all portrayals we have… the “Heresy Program” is a facet of the Sestren system, which may be considered a peer to Sestren Exsis itself. THEN, perhaps it had a function that was also parallel to that of it’s twin deeper inside the system in the interim?
What if Sestren Exsis was there to anchor the inner realm of the system, maintaining the primal functions of the whole organism in a sense, while the other entity was more of a liaison to the real world. And just maybe, as our dragon kept watch over the world, and the ongoing struggles of all humans on it, it slowly drifted away from it’s duties… finding no personal meaning to them? And though it perhaps had just as great a will and power as Sestren Exsis, it did not have the same authority within the system hierarchy - or else the system as a whole could not be defied so easily, being still bound by The Will of The Ancients of course - and once it had become classified as a renegade, it’s only choice was to abandon it’s station altogether.
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One reason I’m getting hung up on this theme, is that it helps resolve two huge riddles: how and why the dragon might have come to defy it’s own masters (if indeed it chose to on it’s own), and why the Towers had not been functioning as they were perhaps intended…
From a gameplay perspective, it makes more sense for the final form to be acquired by traveling/fetchquest. Most RPGs employ such side quests for getting the best armor/weapons and whatnot. Shooting games like Ikaruga and PDO reward skillfull players with extra content.
In terms of the Zwei and Saga’s story with respect to the dragon’s transformation…I don’t think anything conclusive can be derived nor would it reveal anything new about the story. I think it’s rather arbitrary.
But I’ve felt the same about it being very arbitrary, and as such chose to regard the Solo Wing as more of an “easter egg” than anything else. I can only think of one other person who apparently shares that view, everyone else who’s chimed in on the issue for any reason, seem to want to regard it as story related. But is this somehow more far-out than your own recent theorizing Lundi? It’s not like I’ve tried to claim any of this particular premise is “conclusive”, rather the opposite.
But I honestly can’t agree with your personal perspective either, that it only makes sense in the context of every Saturn game ending with Solo Wing. “Most RPG’s” at least communicate a rationale for how and why you achieve some ultimate special power… you know, like how Azel does with the Light Wing. And you would be trying to “have your cake and eat it too”, in a sense, because the fact that you don’t transform to that dragon as an ultimate form in Orta, obviously relates to a part of the story.
So effectively all you’re saying is: “because the story says nothing about this, I can see it however I choose”. Which is fine, just be real about it.
“So effectively all you’re saying is: “because the story says nothing about this, I can see it however I choose”. Which is fine, just be real about it.”
I don’t see where I insinuated anything else or otherwise obfuscated my point.
Well then I’ll take that as agreed Lundi, or something. But now I have to ask, if your points are without obfuscation, for what reason you feel the need to criticize this premise on the basis of why I’m making it, dismissing my motivations directly. Since the effective substance of all your response is that: the issues I’m choosing to resolve aren’t actually issues.
I’m admittedly more agitated by this on a somewhat personal level… I was interested by the ideas of your own theory Lundi, and I tried to meet you where you were thinking about it from. But it could (at least) as fairly be dismissed on the same basis that you appear to be doing so to mine: there’s nothing conclusive about the evidence, and there’s no purpose to it other than your own very subjective interest in looking deeper into a perceived mystery.
This subject is at least examining, and expanding from, tangible and conspicuous spaces left by the material. And also attempting to incorporate other popular assumptions, some of which I have had no particular affinity for. Rather than totally arbitrarily rearranging the perspective of a quite intangible aspect of the scenario, as your Unifying Control Theory theory does.
Which is not to say I have any problem with your theory’s purpose, as the respect I gave it should have already made clear… shrug
One of the biggest themes in any scifi story is when science clashes with morality, because it so closely mirrors the real world. Morality always prevails in the end, does it not?
