What’s the connection with the fall of the Ancients?[/quote]
Now, this isn’t official history, but I was thinking it would be cool to use that as a backdrop for the fall of the Ancients. To devise the whole story of how/why the Ancients fell, but at the center of it all would be the Drone that would ultimately become the voice/conscience of Sestren (would probably be too blunt to name him Sestren). Much in the way the fall of the Towers/Empire centers around Azel. I just thought it would be interesting doing a lot of parallels, you know, like history repeating itself. I thought it would shed an ironic light on PDS.
[quote=“GehnTheBerserker”]I’m gonna repeat it to see if I get an answer this time
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Sorry Gehn, you do deserve an answer
It seems that the dragons are bonded with their riders more than they are bound. If each dragon were designed to only ever serve with one Drone, and each Drone only ever able to ride one dragon, that would clearly be a very silly design flaw, and I firmly believe that it is not the case. Neither Drone nor dragon is indestructible, and they clearly function much better as a combat unit when together, so compatibility with other Drones / dragons would be essential. Atolm, also, is dead - so Azel is presumably not bonded to him any more.
I think that if we did use the “Azel reactivates an Ancient Age dragon” idea, and it was the Tower of Uru’s absent guardian, then we would have it be a currently “riderless” dragon - like the Guardian Dragon from Zwei. A dragon, that is, which did not have a rider at present, but which could be ridden and guided by Azel. (Don’t forget that Azel has relative mastery over the Ancient Age’s technology.)
Ancient Age dragons were clearly designed to serve and aid their Drone riders, as Atolm did for Azel in the past. If we had an initial scene where Azel set some kind of fresh “bonding” process in action with this new dragon, this minor continuity stumble could easily be avoided.
What’s the connection with the fall of the Ancients?[/quote]
Now, this isn’t official history, but I was thinking it would be cool to use that as a backdrop for the fall of the Ancients. To devise the whole story of how/why the Ancients fell, but at the center of it all would be the Drone that would ultimately become the voice/conscience of Sestren (would probably be too blunt to name him Sestren). Much in the way the fall of the Towers/Empire centers around Azel. I just thought it would be interesting doing a lot of parallels, you know, like history repeating itself. I thought it would shed an ironic light on PDS.[/quote]
I hate to use exclamations like “whoa”, but - whoa! I’d honestly never noticed that the voice of the Sestren system in PDO was Azel’s voice. I always assumed (as I suspect many fans did) that it was just a generic automated voice from the system, handling commands that the “core AI” (or whatever was destroyed at the end of Saga) couldn’t, because it was… well… destroyed.
So you’re suggesting that Azel was “absorbed” into the Sestren system? Interesting to say the least…
Oh, and your plot idea is very good, by the way. The irony of the rebels causing the true decimation of humankind would be a monumental and very fitting twist
I don’t agree with you on this.Azel clearly stated it in Saga when she entered the Tower with Edge.
Edge told her that if anything would happen to him she would ride Lagi and get out of the Tower.In response she gave him the whole binding lecture.
I think Edge even asked sorry for kiling Atolm afterwards or something like that.
That clearly shows that they have a bond so great that dragons with predertimined riders can’t accept Azel has it’s rider just like that.
BUT : there are no reports of riderless dragons.And even if there are (like the Guardian Dragon) I don’t think they would be gald to see Azel if you know what i mean.
Therefor I don’t think Azel is a good pick for main character if she is suposed to ride a dragon.
Anyways what happened to the “Imperial Officer as a main character” idea?
I remember countless forum members asking for such a thing in a possible new PD game.I would like it.
[quote=“Lance”]
So you’re suggesting that Azel was “absorbed” into the Sestren system? Interesting to say the least…
Oh, and your plot idea is very good, by the way. The irony of the rebels causing the true decimation of humankind would be a monumental and very fitting twist :)[/quote]
She wasn’t so much absorbed into the system. She pretty much “hacked” Sestren in order to shut down the Towers. Which is why she was also able to access the recorded data within Sestren to be able to create Orta.
Of course, in the prequel, the Drone could be attempting to do something similar, but something goes wrong (like I mentioned, his programming could be slightly off) and his conscience actually does get absorbed into the computer.
I sorta had a scene in mind where the drone is attached to a console via his hands or whatever, and his eyes are glossed over as he is accessing Sestren’s databanks, with Ancient rebels standing around him, covering his back as he hacks away. But, something goes wrong, he lets out a scream, light shoots from his eyes or something, and he crumples to the floor, a lifeless shell.
Heh Well, after Saga, I assumed that Sestren is pretty much lobotomized. However, I wonder just how big Sestren is? It’s in its own dimension, which I assume that means it is a universe in itself. Makes me wonder if you could go beyond its bounds and walk around the outer shell? (Providing it even has one).
Apparently, Sestren is meant to be a massively advanced computer network - or specifically, a virtual reality representing that network - rather than another dimension. (This idea is only really brought in during PDO, though. In Saga the Seekers mistakenly described it as “astral passages between time and space,” but PDO confirms it to be just something experienced inside Ancient Age data circuits.) I guess that means that it doesn’t have a physical size as such
It’s a strange thing, at least. Some of those “circuits” look a lot like smooth stone.
Speaking of strange, shouldn’t you be dead, Abadd? Heh I shouldn’t give you any funny ideas, but I figured you’d disappear when the players first witness your counterpart’s stubborn demise.
As for the other dimension, it may be a Seeker concept, but it ain’t refuted by Azel. The scene where the Tower melted like a matchstick did seem to transport Edge “elsewhere.” Plus, there was that classic scene at the Uru ruins where Atolm broke a hole in the sky.
Ah, but Azel admitted in Saga that she didn’t know much about Sestren; only how to open a gateway to it. I get the “computer network” impression from the way Sestren is referred to in PDO as “the system” or “the network”, which consists of circuits containing programs, simulations and data. And the way that Orta had to be transformed into data in order to enter Sestren. But then, it could be a computer system made out of the fabric of an alternate dimension / plane of existance, or something along those lines. Who can be sure?
As for the melting Tower / energy bubble thing, I could never decide whether that was meant to represent simply Azel’s destruction of the Tower, or whether it was Azel destroying the Tower and simultaneously opening the gateway to Sestren; or whether it was meant to be Azel destroying the Tower by opening the gateway to Sestren, and melting the structure with the energies involved.
Anyway, what happened to the topic? It seems to have gone AWOL
People, keep your plot ideas for the Genos fan game coming…
I already wrote down a rough storyline for the Genos game, maybe some day I will make a fanfic out of that, but I didn’t write a story for ages so it may suck.
I think Sestren is a “god-machine”, built to “virtualize” the dimension they live in, to make all kinds of wonders possible. That is why it has to reside in a higher dimension.
Not quite (though I think you mean “deus ex machina”). That would imply that Sestren was introduced as a way to resolve all of the issues in the story of Panzer. Rather, it was introduced as the focal point of the world, around which all mysteries revolved.
A good example of a “deus ex machina” would be in Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers (SPOILER ALERT!!!) when Gandalf rides in at the last moment with all the Rohirrim and Eomer and drive off the orcish hordes.
Unless, of course, you meant that Sestren was literally a “device of the gods.”
[quote=“Lance”]
So you’re suggesting that Azel was “absorbed” into the Sestren system? Interesting to say the least…
Oh, and your plot idea is very good, by the way. The irony of the rebels causing the true decimation of humankind would be a monumental and very fitting twist :)[/quote]
She wasn’t so much absorbed into the system. She pretty much “hacked” Sestren in order to shut down the Towers. Which is why she was also able to access the recorded data within Sestren to be able to create Orta.[/quote]
The way I see it is that the Heresy Dragon disconnected the “Will of the Ancients” from Sestren and took it with him when he deactivated. If this is correct, perhaps that’s why Azel was able to hack into Sestren, because there wasn’t anything that controlled it? And what’s that Central Consciousness mentioned in one of the mini-games… Azel?
Well if I would have to choose a story, I’d try to avoid the mysterious parts as much as possible. For example, I’d like to see a story that is situated shortly before the events of PD Saga. More specifically, a kind of detective story about someone that has to investigate certain rumors about Craymen planning an attack on the Empirial Capital itself. He could visit locations like the Imperial Academy or the ruins underneath the capital. Eventually he would find out that Craymen is looking for a Drone and the Tower of Uru… Probably wouldn’t have a happy ending though, but the PD games never really had that anyway.
Panzer Dragoon JAG?
Or some kind of Impirial Academy Internal Affairs?
And yes, with “god-machine” I meant a device that should give you god-like powers or that is in some way all-powerful because it can influence the dimension “below” its own.
I mean, Abadd knows about that secret, look at his “diving” into the air and shooting lasers out of nothing in the boss fight. O_o
